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Shilo  
Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 11:36:38 AM(UTC)
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I'm interested in how he can constantly sell for half the recommended retail (and he has sold 2 like this since this debate started). To make any money on them he would have to buy the product at 1/4 the RRP which there is no way he could from Garrett.

There are Parallel Imported products - from the manufacturer but not brought into NZ via the official distributor

There are copies - look exactly the same as the original design but different name & from a different manufacturer who doesn't have patent rights. This is a copy of the THD (notice the price) Security Metal Detector - Ebay

And finally there are fakes. These are copies like the above but with the name of the original patent holding manufacturer on it. Think Rolex watches..... These are immoral and illegal - imagine spending $10 000 on a Rolex only to find out it is a fake? This is why Trademe etc will withdraw auctions, to stop people being conned.

Still reckon it would work if you want to check somebody over for hidden weapons - but it is no Garrett Pro-pointer & I doubt even an original THD would work as well for pin pointing purposes.

Remember the saying "If it sounds too good to be true - it probably is"
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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 12:21:23 PM(UTC)
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Depending on where the led and driver board (if used) is situated it will impact on the detection field, if it's right at the tip it will certainly have a detrimental effect on tip depth (the normal pro-pointer is stronger at the side with nothing in front of it). Will be interesting to see how you go GS. A little loss in tip depth could well be worth the extra light. Good luck!

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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 1:47:47 PM(UTC)
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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 2:38:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shilo Go to Quoted Post
I'm interested in how he can constantly sell for half the recommended retail (and he has sold 2 like this since this debate started). To make any money on them he would have to buy the product at 1/4 the RRP which there is no way he could from Garrett.

There are Parallel Imported products - from the manufacturer but not brought into NZ via the official distributor

There are copies - look exactly the same as the original design but different name & from a different manufacturer who doesn't have patent rights. This is a copy of the THD (notice the price) Security Metal Detector - Ebay

And finally there are fakes. These are copies like the above but with the name of the original patent holding manufacturer on it. Think Rolex watches..... These are immoral and illegal - imagine spending $10 000 on a Rolex only to find out it is a fake? This is why Trademe etc will withdraw auctions, to stop people being conned.

Still reckon it would work if you want to check somebody over for hidden weapons - but it is no Garrett Pro-pointer & I doubt even an original THD would work as well for pin pointing purposes.

Remember the saying "If it sounds too good to be true - it probably is"


ok my first reply to this is. how can the local NZ metal detector seller sell these for $399 ? that to me seems like a rip more than the cheaper option. secondly it doesnt have a random brand name like gareet or gariet its a garrett!! and not some fake reproduction so it is claimed to be the real mcoy the guy selling them has also givin trademe all garantee info on the items,. thirdly your saying there no good for pin pointing and only good for checking for weapons if this is the case why is the nz metal detector sellers selling them as a pin pointer for $399 as a pin pointer ? also if you read the specs on a THD they have a pin pointing tip so they do the same as a garrett pro pointer if not better. just because there cheap doesnt always mean there fake or whatever, he might have bought 100 of them at a very cheap price hence why he cuts out the guy trying to make a killing on the same item in a retail shop here. whos to say the guy in the shop doesnt buy a stack of these also and just charge the world for them. and as for your saying if it sounds to good to be true it probably is.. remember the word probably......... not is.
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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 3:10:32 PM(UTC)
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heres a new auction of his with updated photo you can clearly see they are genuine garrett THD http://www.trademe.co.nz...er/auction-592590008.htm
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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 3:12:46 PM(UTC)
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ok my first reply to this is. how can the local NZ metal detector seller sell these for $399 ? that to me seems like a rip more than the cheaper option.
I have already mentioned that the NZ Garrett distributor is a rip off. They are not a metal detecting company but a security one who just happens to sell some detectors because they have the Garrett agency. Garretts own recommend retail is $169NZD not $399. So we are incomplete agreement here

secondly it doesnt have a random brand name like gareet or gariet its a garrett!! and not some fake reproduction so it is claimed to be the real mcoy the guy selling them has also givin trademe all garantee info on the items,.
Exactly which is why I am interested in how he can sell them so cheap. I never once said that his THD's were fake a or reproduction, but that could be an explanation for the cheap price

thirdly your saying there no good for pin pointing and only good for checking for weapons if this is the case why is the nz metal detector sellers selling them as a pin pointer for $399 as a pin pointer ?
Please show a link to any site from a NZ detector seller that states a THD is a pin pointer and/or is used for metal detecting. They all refer to security only.

also if you read the specs on a THD they have a pin pointing tip so they do the same as a garrett pro pointer if not better.
A propointer is more then just a pin pointer with the ability of detecting from the tip. It also has proportional audio (faster sound / vibration the closer you get) and the ability to ground balance and fine tune. I have never said the THD won't work, but it is not designed for metal detecting and I doubt very much it will be up the the same standard.


just because there cheap doesnt always mean there fake or whatever, he might have bought 100 of them at a very cheap price hence why he cuts out the guy trying to make a killing on the same item in a retail shop here. who's to say the guy in the shop doesn't buy a stack of these also and just charge the world for them. and as for your saying if it sounds to good to be true it probably is.. remember the word probably......... not is.

He may very well off brought bulk somehow. As above I'm just interested to know how. I am not attacking your decision to buy one and I hope it works out for you.

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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 3:23:52 PM(UTC)
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heres a new auction of his with updated photo you can clearly see they are genuine garrett THD http://www.trademe.co.nz...er/auction-592590008.htm


Please compare the one in that trademe auction to the ones in the link below. A label on the end does not make it a genuine article (like watch with Rolex on it). Now I'm not saying that David12's THD's are fake, but labels do not mean anything. The link below is a counterfeit knockoff as you can see:

Additional Info.

Trademark: Garrett
Packing: 30 pcs for one carton
Origin: SHENZHEN
Production Capacity: 100000pcs/year
Company: C. T. S Technology Co., Limited


http://cts2001.en.made-in-china...nd-Name-Garrett-THD.html

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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 7:03:15 PM(UTC)
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heres a new auction of his with updated photo you can clearly see they are genuine garrett THD http://www.trademe.co.nz...er/auction-592590008.htm


Please compare the one in that trademe auction to the ones in the link below. A label on the end does not make it a genuine article (like watch with Rolex on it). Now I'm not saying that David12's THD's are fake, but labels do not mean anything. The link below is a counterfeit knockoff as you can see:

Additional Info.

Trademark: Garrett
Packing: 30 pcs for one carton
Origin: SHENZHEN
Production Capacity: 100000pcs/year
Company: C. T. S Technology Co., Limited


http://cts2001.en.made-in-china...nd-Name-Garrett-THD.html

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who cares were its made as long as it works. chinese are awesome at technology the whole world would be fucked without them. no tv's stereos cars, what has america made apart from wars and drugs. what is a knockoff a cheap alternative for the poor which is me. if it works all you haters will eat your words and buy one i bet lol hell i might import some myself should be here tomorrow so ill let you all know if i got ripped or am onto a winner
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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 8:23:49 PM(UTC)
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I'd be interested in your observations once you get hold of it and test it out, however I doubt whether you can really judge it to be worth its money (or equal to 'the real thing') unless you've used it for a good while. Long enough perhaps to see if there are indeed cheaper components within that start to fail after a short while. I refer to Rob Mcbrides earlier comments re cheaper components versus their much more expensive counterparts.
I bought a Garrett pinpointer from ebay and paid the going rate, no cheaper. The seller was an Asian dealer whose feedback (which I looked at far too late) was none too clever but had sold several others beside my own. Mine has given me heaps of trouble over the year I've had it and I've often wondered whether it is the real deal or not. I suspect it may turn out to be a copy. If it is then I was ripped off because I paid full wack, if yours performs as good as we know they should and continues to do so month in month out then you've had a result for the money you paid. I genuinely hope it turns out well, I might score one myself if it does.



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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 10:05:13 PM(UTC)
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I think most people have or will have trouble with the Garrett Pro pointer, they all seem to false when pressure is put on them and when the battery is getting low, of course power switches wear out, crud gets into them etc.
Still I wouldn't go hunting with out mine. Does make me wonder about trying a Minelab next time around though.
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Posted : Monday, 13 May 2013 10:34:00 PM(UTC)
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i agrree!should have some rock solid evidence before reporting peoples online shops as selling counterfeit gear this is how inocent people that are trying to support families are being fucked over for no good reason!
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Posted : Tuesday, 14 May 2013 3:50:41 PM(UTC)
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well i bought one and it arrived today and its the real deal comes with warranty form manual everything oh and not to mention it works great. i bought it for $80 and its the best buy ever
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Well done you!
Does it look well sealed at the front around the led or lens?
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Posted : Tuesday, 14 May 2013 4:50:14 PM(UTC)
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Well done you!
Does it look well sealed at the front around the led or lens?


looks well sealed tight fit :)
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All we need to do now is get a knock-off and send it to GS to compare ~Covers head and prepares for a good telling off~

So many reasons why something can be sold really cheap. Glad it worked out for you GS
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All we need to do now is get a knock-off and send it to GS to compare ~Covers head and prepares for a good telling off~

So many reasons why something can be sold really cheap. Glad it worked out for you GS


ok im going to buy a knock off and see what the difference is im curious and i also asked a question to garrettnz on trademe whos selling them for $399 if they work for pinpointing metal detecting and he said yes and if not better than the pro pointer. i wouldnt go as far as saying there better but perhaps there simular. no need for these to be $399 thats a joke imo. david12 is selling them at a very good price. now i hope everyone leaves him alone and buys one from him. hes not a rip off at all :) im so happy :) :) :)
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Good Score - ;)


very good score :) well worth it
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I'd be interested in your observations once you get hold of it and test it out, however I doubt whether you can really judge it to be worth its money (or equal to 'the real thing') unless you've used it for a good while. Long enough perhaps to see if there are indeed cheaper components within that start to fail after a short while. I refer to Rob Mcbrides earlier comments re cheaper components versus their much more expensive counterparts.
I bought a Garrett pinpointer from ebay and paid the going rate, no cheaper. The seller was an Asian dealer whose feedback (which I looked at far too late) was none too clever but had sold several others beside my own. Mine has given me heaps of trouble over the year I've had it and I've often wondered whether it is the real deal or not. I suspect it may turn out to be a copy. If it is then I was ripped off because I paid full wack, if yours performs as good as we know they should and continues to do so month in month out then you've had a result for the money you paid. I genuinely hope it turns out well, I might score one myself if it does.


well i would buy one mate it works and does the job, came with warranty papers and manual and seems the real mcoy. the main difference between pro pointer and THD is no noise with THD just a light and vibrate, also the pro pointer will keep a continuous noise while on the target the THD doesnt and will only work when moved over a target wich i dont mind it has a range of around 1.5 - 2 inches range on a target beats struggling to find a target with the detector so frustrating to pin point with detector at times anyway there it is :)
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