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kiwisouth		Posted : Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:49:25 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 3/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 326 Location: Blenheim (Renwick) Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 105 time(s) in 83 post(s)		Gidday, someone managed to buy a Garrett THD pointer for $75. I wonder what the guys that buy them for over $300 think. http://www.trademe.co.nz...isting.aspx?id=587306057
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Sunday, 5 May 2013 8:13:27 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		The vendors extremely vague answers to reasonable questions are about as useful as a bucket of horse shit in a pavlova cake. I note that his number of negatives is marginal as far as I am concerned - I might tend to be wary of the combination of vague answers and negative feedbacks and conclude that he is selling a parallel import item which is not a genuine Garrett. I could be wrong but personally I would tend to be a bit suspicious - maybe hes Mr Metalprobes New Zealand agent for those who remember Mr Metalprobe! Honesty and fair answers would have gone a long way in my book - for example - 'It will pinpoint a ten cent piece from 3 cms' or 'It will pinpoint a .5 gram gold nugget from 3 cms' and so on. The manner in which he has answered indicates to me that he did not wish to let on and it was going to be a case of 'Let the buyer beware.' Edited by user Sunday, 5 May 2013 8:15:55 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

Shilo		Posted : Sunday, 5 May 2013 8:39:21 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 29/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 573 Location: Kawhia Thanks: 17 times Was thanked: 285 time(s) in 185 post(s)		Also the THD is a made for security purposes - not hobby metal detecting. He should have pointed this out when the beach question was asked.
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andy		Posted : Sunday, 5 May 2013 9:25:43 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 13/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 471 Location: ngongotaha rotorua Thanks: 70 times Was thanked: 88 time(s) in 72 post(s)		hahaha metalprobe.
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kaydubya		Posted : Sunday, 5 May 2013 9:45:53 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Nugget Groups: Registered Joined: 9/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 39 Location: Dunedin Thanks: 19 times Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 4 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Shilo Also the THD is a made for security purposes - not hobby metal detecting. He should have pointed this out when the beach question was asked. Seems the TassieDetecting guy's also selling that unit as a pinpointer for coins: http://tassiedetecting.net/epag...5648/Products/gmd1165900 I notice also that everything except Garrett has now disappeared from TassieDetecting website (he had Bounty Hunter, Teknetics, Fisher & Garrett last week, maybe more). The currency converter has also disappeared so his prices now only appear in AU$s. Edited by user Monday, 6 May 2013 11:32:32 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

skuzzb		Posted : Monday, 6 May 2013 7:23:40 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Nugget Groups: Registered Joined: 14/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: wanganui Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)		check out this chinese site for garrett thd lookalike http://www.aliexpress .com/item/Free-Shipping-High-Sensitivity-Handheld-Metal-Detector-Portable-Detector-For-Gold-Metal-Security-Check-Metal-Detectors/844837080.html or their home site http://www.gaireet .com/en/Product/list/48.html Edited by moderator Monday, 6 May 2013 8:36:39 PM(UTC) \| Reason: edited by mod to stop the sites being linked from here and thus getting SEO from this site.

tonznz		Posted : Monday, 6 May 2013 8:14:19 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 20/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 667 Thanks: 261 times Was thanked: 199 time(s) in 152 post(s)		. Edited by user Sunday, 6 October 2013 12:25:59 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

expat		Posted : Monday, 6 May 2013 8:31:25 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 26/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Rangiora Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 91 time(s) in 76 post(s)		Brilliant ! Love that 'unbiased' Chinese review. ;-D
		My greatest fear is that when I die my wife will sell my collection for what I told her it cost me.

oroplata		Posted : Monday, 6 May 2013 8:35:19 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,040 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 211 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Originally Posted by: tonznz Check this Chinese review: "....Was extremely good., I just received it this soon. This product is exactly what it is now. I would advocate that you try it. Garrett THD Metal Detector and the ability to perform well too. I consider you should have it. Best products on Garrett THD Metal Detector. Was extremely good., I just received it this soon. This product is exactly what it is now. I would advocate that you try it. Garrett THD Metal Detector and the ability to perform well too. I consider you should have it. You will not fall trends." Wow. Based on that, I'll take a dozen, thanks!
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tonznz		Posted : Monday, 6 May 2013 8:39:39 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 20/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 667 Thanks: 261 times Was thanked: 199 time(s) in 152 post(s)		. Edited by user Sunday, 6 October 2013 12:26:14 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

tonznz		Posted : Monday, 6 May 2013 8:41:56 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 20/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 667 Thanks: 261 times Was thanked: 199 time(s) in 152 post(s)		. Edited by user Sunday, 6 October 2013 12:26:25 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

tonznz		Posted : Monday, 6 May 2013 11:00:09 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 20/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 667 Thanks: 261 times Was thanked: 199 time(s) in 152 post(s)		. Edited by user Sunday, 6 October 2013 12:26:44 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

expat		Posted : Tuesday, 7 May 2013 6:11:52 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 26/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Rangiora Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 91 time(s) in 76 post(s)		Nice one Tony. I gotta admit that buying anything related to our hobby at the mo is a big worry with so many copies around. Seeing another fraudster bite the dust is a great thing.
		My greatest fear is that when I die my wife will sell my collection for what I told her it cost me.

rgmcbrid		Posted : Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:05:31 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 3/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 583 Location: Southland Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 180 time(s) in 140 post(s)		Nice work Tony! In the spirit of self promotion; if anyone actually wants any Tecnetics gear I can order it from Fisher, they are owned by the same company making Fisher and Tecnetics dealers basically the same thing.
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gogold		Posted : Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:09:19 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 5/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 217 Location: gore Thanks: 4 times Was thanked: 56 time(s) in 45 post(s)		Originally Posted by: tonznz I'm going for a swim...when I come back I'm going to shut him down his THD's and teknetics on trademe......what fun! do you have nothing better to do? why dont you sit down on trademe and report every single knock off item thats listed, my guess is you will be there for a while. just because its paralell import dose not make it a knock off it could indeed be genuine item but just bypassed the greedy distrubutor that has a horific mark up. Edited by moderator Tuesday, 14 May 2013 6:42:27 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Removed some text as aggressive towards other forum member

Lammerlaw		Posted : Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:35:49 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		My first contribution away above indicates that I knew that it was not as it seemed BUT I will give a product a fair go - A friend of mine who had had a long association with Fiat stated that Japanese motor vehicles are based on believe it or not Italian Fiat technology. The Japanese buy someone elses product, pull it apart and examine it, see where small improvements can be made and then use that technology to make better and cheaper! None of us complain about our Toyota now do we? I needed a new Burglar alarm system so began to shop around. My last one, a very expensive one at the time with two door sensors and two infra red sensors gave me a good deal of trouble. Everything I could source in NZ appeared pretty expensive and all this time my son was telling me to let him bring in a Chinese Burglar alarm system for me. In the end I did...I am totally delighted. The bad point is that the bodies are plastic but in this day and age the dash board of your car is not beautiful rosewood panelling as it was once and the seats are not leather - The dashboard is plastic with vinyl on the top and the seats vinyl - but none of you are whinging about it! This burglar alarm is amazing value for money and it is BETTER than those which cost four times as much here in Kiwiland - for $138 landed I got - a control box, a key pad, FOUR remotes, four infra red movement detectors, four door sensors, one siren, one siren/flasher and when I am away and someone breaks in it will signal a break in to four telephones. This Trademe guys product might be better than Garrett - who knows until they try it - I do think though that they should be charged and prosecuted for selling a parallel import under the Garrett name though. That is where my bone of contention lies. Edited by user Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:37:31 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

kaydubya		Posted : Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:02:38 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Nugget Groups: Registered Joined: 9/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 39 Location: Dunedin Thanks: 19 times Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 4 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Lammerlaw This Trademe guys product might be better than Garrett - who knows until they try it - I do think though that they should be charged and prosecuted for selling a parallel import under the Garrett name though. That is where my bone of contention lies. Like others in this forum, I can remember the very bad name Japanese-made products had (often justifiably) in the 1950s and 60s. Who would knock them now? I'm predicting the Chinese will gradually improve their reputation as a manufacturing nation until they are as highly respected as the Japanese of today. Where I disagree, Lammerlaw, is with your definition of parallel importing. If, in your final paragraph, you had used 'counterfeit' instead of 'parallel import' I would concur entirely. (Wikipedia definition of parallel import: "a non-counterfeit product imported from another country without the permission of the intellectual property owner") Counterfeiting is nothing less than fraudulent deception of potential customers and theft from the intellectual property owner. It is fraud and should be treated as such. Edited by user Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:05:04 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

oroplata		Posted : Tuesday, 7 May 2013 12:20:59 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,040 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 211 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Lammerlaw None of us complain about our Toyota now do we? If they looked like Fiats, we would! This (possibly Toyota) metal detector looks like a Fiat and he's saying it's a Fiat. If it really is a Toyota (as we suspect) then he's selling a counterfeit product and making out it's an original. Pretty sure the Consumer Protect ACT comes into play.
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NUGGY		Posted : Tuesday, 7 May 2013 12:45:32 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 20/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 267 Location: greymouth Thanks: 85 times Was thanked: 76 time(s) in 58 post(s)		Yeah, I thought parallel imports were original factory items, imported by someone other than the local distributor. I look on this as often a good thing as the distributor needs a little competition or they often tend to overcharge, and having a monopoly on local sales there is no alternative. Many of us have imported our own detectors, dredge parts etc as the local agents price was over the top, compared to prices available off the net, we like to support the local agent but when the price difference is massive, it's just not worth it. By doing this we are (I understood) parallel importing. Buying fake branded stuff is different, this is fraud - theft of intellectual property, false advertising etc and should be stopped. For example - If I want to buy a Honda design based Chinese engine for cheap and I know I'm doing that, it's fine. But if I think I'm buying the real branded guaranteed Honda - and instead get some crap poor quality copy with Honda branding - then that is fraud. NUGGY

rgmcbrid		Posted : Tuesday, 7 May 2013 12:50:01 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 3/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 583 Location: Southland Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 180 time(s) in 140 post(s)		I guess I have nothing against cheap Chinese detectors, Hatter did pretty well with a $30 taped together unit he got off trade me; the issue is claiming something to be something it isn't. If it is an illegal copy it should not be sold, and if it is an illegal copy being sold as an original it really should not be sold. Buying counterfeit goods is no different than buying stolen goods, and doing so only supports criminal activity. So again, I say Tony is doing everyone a big favour, if the seller and his product are legitimate then Tony verifying this to be the case is actually helping him.
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