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on the news today....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/n...o-New-Zealand-first-book


after reading that book that Lammerlaw told us about (the pheonicians) I'm a believer

now lets us metal detectorists go find something to prove it!

MSB

just read this article on stuff just before looking here.

ross wiseman actually has written several books on the matter. one sort of summarises the rest though and is a big read.

i think only a fool with limited thoughts would rule out any other civilization ever reaching our shores.

there is just too much evidence to suggest otherwise, not just here but in australia and south america and ancient maps held offshore etc.

after reading wisemans full book (i had previously read the one about the rock drawings and maps near rotorua) i started to doubt if anything i was taught in school was true.

definitely gets you thinking.

kiwikeith:

very true.

most likely evidence would be in places where the shoreline was in the past where safe anchorage would have been.

other places to look perhaps high vantage points.

or on rocks that haven't eroded due to the elements.

or in the sea.

a tough one. would make finding a kg gold nugget sound easier.

that said a lot of research and looking may unearth something.

the maori elders would be the best bet as many ancient stories of their arrival to nz were passed along the generations.

i'm sure in our lifetime more will be unveiled and discovered.

it's not rewriting history but more filling in the gaps.

after reading the wiseman books you realise that you would be stupid to ignore the many sophisticated seafaring civilisations that existed before cook and tasman and co got exploring.

the one thing they all had in common seems to be using previous explorers maps. whether gained from fellow countryman explorers or plundered from another conquered civilisation.

I think that the ship depicted on the South Island rock drawings are very late and were done by the later Maori peoples rather than those first here.

When the Maori came here they found people already here - they gave these people a name - Tangata Whenua - this term as used by Maori today to actually bestow upon themselves the title 'People of the Land' is incorrect as they had actually applied the term to those who were here before them.

The people who were here before them stated that they came from a land far to the EAST named Patu-Nui-O-Aio (Easter Island) and prior to that from South America...it alls eemd so logical and especially taking into acocunt the question..."How did the Kumara get here?" as it came form South America - those with little sense said it 'floated here on the currents' and those with a little more knowledge stated that it was carried from South America to Easter Island and traded with the people there who in turn traded with the peoples of the West )Polynesia)

Mainstream Maori never wanted this taught and so it wasnt but recent scientific analysis has indicated DNA linking some of the Southern New Zealanders to South America - this means that the stories of the old people down here were true - Maori never knew of the bow and arrow but the peoples down here did know of it and in the old southern language it even had a name
Horoeka takata I think...Horoeka something anyway.

So there were people here before the Maori but they came from South America.

Much of the evidence of the modern revisionists if you want to call them that can be disproven BUT much of it also has credence - there were maps of the Antarctic dated to pre Maori times - these maps were found and redrawn by Pier Reis - the following is food for thought - Pier Reis only copied earlier maps some of which went back to BC and beyond!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2GYyGTXTs

On the basis of these maps the lands down here were well known! It stands to reason that there were people down here longbefore the Maori...and before the arrivals of Tangata Whenua, Waitaha, the peoples who originated form South America.

Unfortunately for some obscure unknown reason much of our historic sites have roads etc over the top of them, and whilst we cannot retain them all, there is much knowledge that we as the ordinary working people are not privvy to And as for first inhabitants of NZ, you could look at http://www.celticnz.co.nz/ which makes for interesting reading. Ferreting around proving maori were not the first here is akin to sticking your head out of a rabbit hole to get shot at. More productive to swing your detector and just muse about Darwin's theory and such like, then have a drink and forget the lot! Lol

and if it is true there is no way it will be confirmed by any academics as it puts
all their hard work and funding down the pan!

anyone read the gavin menzies boook "1421: The Year China Discovered the World" ?

its a good read and some of it might be believable/true.
Since it was published there have lots of effort questioning his theories and trying to
debunk his evidence. When that happens you have wonder why people
are trying hard to do that, are they trying to hide the evidence or simply pointing out real errors?
I might have been inclined to side with menzies, you know the underdog and all that,
but he has gone on to now claim proof of atlantis, so now i wonder just how much was wishful thinking
in the first place?

A couple of years ago there was an article in our local paper that stated how a junior archeoligist was invited onto private land here in kerikeri to examine a find. His report concluded that they were definately egyptian remain/ruins. The site remains secrete and there was no mention of exactly what was found.

I read this the other day somewhere; of coarse one would always be culturaly sensitve when it comes to these matters. Wouldnt want to affend anyone or religion. (They most certainly were not written in history as dudes for a starter). Facts are facts, but the way we interperite history should be aproached in the right fassion and then it will be good for everyone.

Edited by user Saturday, 24 March 2012 5:27:55 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

would love to have a go at digging a cave floor up one day to see what can be sieved up :)

great stories and links guys enough here to keep me reading for hours

It may be this weekend in dargaville that they are unveiling a spanish boat which they have been digging up in a paddock. Apparently it has about 60 cannons onboard and horse stables.