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I would say that any story about a U Boat full of gold sitting off our coast was absolute twaddle. Why would it be anywhere New Zealand with gold in it?

I think your rumour might come from this story; -

http://www.scubadive.net...opic.php?f=26&t=2762

I think that someone has elaborated on the historical fact that many U Boats made the journey to Japan expressly to obtain desperately needed war materials - this list is more or less a full and detailed list of those U Boats; -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsun_Gruppe

Additional to that one German U Boat came not only into New Zealand waters but also came into a harbour! This vessel was the U-862

Part of the account of U-862 states; -

In January, 1945, the German submarine U-862 under Capt. Heinrich Timm, came east to NZ, where it skirted Great Barrier Island by night being guided by the full-flashing Cape Brett Lighthouse. The submarine investigated Gisborne Harbour where Guenther Reiffenstuhl records in his diary: "During the day you can see through the periscope people walking down the street. At night the docks are brightly illuminated, but there were no worthwhile steamers at anchor or in the dock to sink." Shortly after this U-862 was recalled They intended to seek targets at Wellington, but German Naval Command ordered the U-boat back to base. (If you want to read more about U-862, then read
'U-Boat Far From Home: The Epic Voyage of U862 to Australia and NZ' by David Stevens.

To read more from where I got this extract; -

https://sites.google.com...reat-barrier-island-1945

sounds interesting...any other info?

thats some cool reading right there...

Strewth Shane - 60 thousand plus is a hell of a lot of people - across in the US of A they have even found the remains of the tiny little village founded by the founding fathers - the colonists of the Mayflower so where is all the evidence of this number? There has to be something substantial and surely there would be bottles turning up here and there or foundations, remains in one form or another, European or Asiatic items depending on where they come from - I mean that number of people is more than half of the population of Dunedin and look at how spread out this city is.

To exterminate 60,000 people and wipe out all traces there would have to be a huge number of locals and what would the government hide it for.

I have absolutely no doubt that there is more to New Zealand than the history books tell us and if it doesnt fit in with the mainstream academics then they shoot it down in flames as though the academics are the beginning and end of the argument. I am not questioning the facts of what you say only the number.

It does sound farfetched. When i hear you put it into words as such, you are right in saying, it just doesnt make sence the whole concept! I thought this old settlement story was common knowledge, amazing ah..
Again, where did any early settlers go and where is the evidence they left behind. Why is a spanish trade ship being dug up in a dargaville paddock. What are the strange patterns in the bush over that side of the coast. My guess is that all evidence of earlier times there has tried to be covered over.
All good. Hope my story makes some sence.

Edited by user Tuesday, 27 March 2012 6:02:27 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

70 year plus embargoes prevent alot of this information from reaching the public. Some of these are about to be lifted i do believe. All my info is second hand so i can not verify the authenticity of them. I thought the spanish ship would of made the news or papers by now but i have not seen any mention of it as yet. There may be something in this weeks local paper and if so i will post any readings i find on the matter.

Some interesting thoughts above and please fellas dont think I am trying to shoot your ideas down because I am not - and I am not doubting the basis of what you present either because you are correct...there were people here before Cook, before Tasman and before the Maoris - my own family always stated that they came form South America and scientists through DNA have proven this correct so now we do know how the Kumara got here.

Simon - volcanic or not one would think that somewhere there would be evidence after all a large settlement of that size has to have outlying feeders, the reason being food supply - small settlements outside the main one, basically farming settlements or food gathering and processing centres. The later Maori had their main centres and these are well marked by middens and dwelling sites, garden sites and so forth but they also had seasonal and temporary camp sites and these have been found and identified as well. An entire city could indeed be wiped off the face of the Earth by an eruption but evidence would still remain in the form outlying sites in one direction or another where food and resources were gathered or obtained.

Also if the locals wiped out such a large population then they would have taken spoils away and the spoils of other cultures would end up in the village sites of the locals.

I think Shanes story is highly likely to be fact but I think the numbers may be incorrect.

I have seen rocks which look as though they have been carved and unless a map is clearly defined and specific then patterns on rocks can set off all sorts of messages to the imagination and the people who write these books on earlier settlers do tend to present as evidence some pretty vague material - all you need is for them to tell you that 'This IS a map carved intot he rock by an earlier group of people' and your brain accepts the information because it is presented as a definitive statement.

I am totally certain in my own mind that the Colenso bird IS evidence of someone before the Maori, I am totally convinced that Mohammedan Buk's ships bell, the Tamil Bell, which was found in a Moari settlement IS evidence of others here before and ships HAVE been found which DO prove earlier settlers.

I know that next time an ancient ship is found, and they know near enough where one turns up form time to time (Kelly Tarlton knew of it I think) then without consideration for the El Sickos in the Hysterical Places Trust or Government backlash they should band together with Bulldozers and loaders and get it out of the beach and onto higher ground so that those who know that there were others here can say "We told you so" - I cant wait for that day because there were others here full stop.

Shane - noted your comment re embargoes - It is criminal - whyfore and for what criminal reason should OUR elected representative with hold information from US, those who elected them - it is because of the sinister scum who run this country behind the scenes. The sheep dont need to know anything!

Edited by user Wednesday, 28 March 2012 9:45:02 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

swiss kiwi: yeah it would be great if something was found that was big enough to not be easily covered up. i'm thinking this would have to happen outside the official channels as they are too easily influenced. so an average joe needs to find something. i guess then tho if he tried to dig it up himself or whatever he would then be at the wrath of the historic places trust etc. oddly enough a prosecution for such case would be like admitting to what was happening. so maybe you would get away with digging things up that are denied to have existed.

lammerlaw: right again. 60000 people would surely leave more evidence. so far we have a handful of artifacts. what is needed is their settlement itself. i'm wondering if the largest boat of a people were to wash up here and strand them or whatever, how big a population would exist from those first people say a couple of hundred years later? i'm guessing there would be a pretty high death rate in such circumstances way back then, ie. accidents, infant deaths, etc.

I stumbled on this page tonight that adds more fuel to this fire no doubt.

http://www.celticnz.co.n...0Zealand%20Surveyors.htm

Some of it, no quite a lot seemed to stretch the imagination somehow.

OK, stopped swinging the detector and decided upon some serious input; Lol...and I HATE too serious!

There has been much written about the inhabitants of NZ, artifacts found, carbon dating, information being covered up by government, maori and the list goes on to include etc,etc,etc which I see a few have found on this forum. A lot can/will be debated until the cows come home. I ask this debateable question; where would we go/be as a nation if history was re written and governed by whom? Yes NZ has an UGLY past of cannibalism, slavery and what is deemed abhorrant to a civilised age. Don't forget cannibalism only ceased in the 1800's which is not that long ago. Do we become Spanish, Scottish, Chinese or ??? To see where we are today you have to look at history......politics (my pet hate subject!) and go back in history to before the League of Nations, then United Nations. We all know the barbaric beginnings to NZ and the bloodshed....how else was Britain(maybe the only country with the tenacity prepared to deal with "natives") going to conquor this beautiful country and at what price? Loooong way to sail ships. Thank God I wasn't born then!!! The bloody wars went on and on and then a treaty was signed. Now that brought both sides to stop shooting each other and to unite into creating a nation. Intermarrying strengthened the political vision that was created for this country. Simon Upton has written a very good article which raises questions of where will we be in 2050 as far as the treaty v government? I write v purposly as I feel there is and has been for some time a jostling for power........I think I'll be in my box and will never see the outcome, so while I'm here, think I'll just go back to swinging the detector before we need a permit to do so!!!!