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cool theory ae!! I just finished reading that article myself....would certainly shut the whinging bastards up about who owns water in this FREE country of ours

like the article said the kaipara harbour is a graveyard of ships.

we need to think of the past as more than a particular point in time when considering previous inhabitants or visitors.

the research in the books covered several possible civilisations that could have been here, over a large period of time. not just the last few hundred years but back into the last 2000 or so years also.

i remember the critics knocking this guy at the dannivirke museum. they reckoned he was just trying to plug his musuem. if so he sure believes in his job a lot!

i think the ship creamer was talking of is way older than the one this piece of wood is from. that is why it was a lot higher out of the water and in a present day "paddock".

whatever the wood is from it proves someone was here at some point. the wood is not from new zealand for a start.

many of the past relics found have been discredited to a point by critics who say that anyone could have got their hands on a relic and brought it to nz at a later date and lost it overboard.

i don't know how they can say this piece of a ship was lost overboard. i'm sure a counter claim will emerge in some form or other in the near future.

The entire topic is amazingly interesting and I note Gavins contribution above states within its content - 'present theory' - Good one - I like that...its the same with world politics today - I have coined this statement and believe it to be true "The present truth we are fed is the theory which they want us to accept as the truth and what they call conspiracy theories hold more truth than the truth we are fed" - the same goes for the settlement of New Zealand.

I may have written in an earlier contribution that my ancestors always said that they came from a land known as Patu Nui o Aio and it was far to the East - Rapa Nui and before that from the South American continent - these people were of finer features which carried down in some of them right to the end of the nineteenth century.

When mainstream Moari came here they didnt murder these people off but found the women to be of finer features and desired them as wives and hence the line survived - many of the men survived and were assimilated into the Maori culture as well. The history of mainstream Maori was accepted into teaching curriculums and taught as such and today the teachings of Elsdon Best are considered to have many anomalies in them. His books are truly superb but present what he was told by the North island Maori whom he concentrated on - it was Herries Beattie and White and W.A.Taylor who put forward the story of the people of the South Island and their history.

As for other peoples arriving here - why not? Where did the lost tribes of Egypt go - how is it that the people who arrived here before the Maori had similar legends and words and symbolisms to the people of South America (eg 'Ra' sun god of South American Indians, Waitaha, Eskimo and Egyptians)

What aobut the Tamil bell? - what about the Colenso bird? - the Ship found up north.

They all point to someone here first - I do NOT believe much of the evidence put forward to prove that others were here first - to me tghe Celtic fortifications are pure crap as I do believe them to be Polynesian in origin BUT there is other evidence - Waitaha history - Colenso Bird - Tamil bell - evidence in words and symbols - shipwrecks - the characteristics of the descendants of the people the Maori found here when they first arrived which indicates these people were not of polynesian descent nor totally so.

I enclose here a photo of my grandmother sitting down - no one here can tell me she is a 'Maori' - she is descended form the older people who were named Takata whenua - the people of the land by the Maori who came later and found them already here - they also had a device which was totally unknown to the Maori but due to lack of enemies and lack of dangerous animals fell into disuse - it was the bow and arrow - the bow was known in New Zealand as Patake Horoeka.

Edited by user Friday, 19 October 2012 5:30:43 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Thanks Gav...lost another hour reading link after link haha...its certainly an interesting topic ae...

Well, bugger me...

http://www.sciencedaily....2012/10/121022162552.htm

Graeme, does your grandmother have a living daughter (or daughter of daughter)? Perhaps you could convince them to submit a DNA sample to the Otago researchers - sending them the photo of your grandmother might get them interested?

The answer to that is yes several times over and yes it would be interesting to find out so I might get the ball rolling and follow up on it.

We claim descent from Waitaha who were ostensibly the first people to set foot in New Zealand but of course there are others who might and will disagree - nothing surprises me so that if conclusive evidence was found that found that Ptolemny III found New Zealand first in some ancient Egyptian voyage of exploration I would certainly listen attentively and never disbelieve as there remain many mysteries to solve both here and abroad.
The Piri Reis maps for example must surely open up questions if only 'How did such maps come about and who made them?