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Lammerlaw  
Posted : Sunday, 18 December 2011 5:34:59 PM(UTC)
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This photo was taken just upstream from the last lot of photos - just before the river goes around the bend out of site into the shallow pool which is shown in the last series of photos it is very shallow and at times barely six inches to a foot of water and yet I never found so much as a colour.

The rock outcrop on the left of the photo is the same one in the last series to the left of the hand written words in the second photo.

It was from the hole below this rock that I took out another eight ounces one weekend - those days seem to be gone now! The hole is located between the two rock outcrops on the right hand side and partially in a black shadow.

For some reason I had my motor floating on floats in this hole and yet I never actually used the dredge here - a three inch aqualite which was heavy - it fell off the floats and landed on me under the water. The hole was eight foot deep and hard to work with just a snorkel, moving rocks, going up for air, hour after hour...but I got it finished.

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Posted : Monday, 19 December 2011 9:14:07 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the positive comment - much appreciated it - 'Flintlock' - never have managed to get one of them...yet.


Mine is a replica of a Le Page, French duelling pistol by Pedersoli. Still holds 2 NZ records!
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Posted : Monday, 19 December 2011 9:39:15 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the positive comment - much appreciated it - 'Flintlock' - never have managed to get one of them...yet.


Mine is a replica of a Le Page, French duelling pistol by Pedersoli. Still holds 2 NZ records!


Sounds cracker and must be lots of fun to shoot - if you are ever in the Christchurch museum - if its still there have a look at their flintlock - its a Nock seven barrel 'Volley' gun - used from the fighting platform of a warships mast for shooting volleys down onto enemy decks. The other is a Collier Flintlock revolving rifle owned supposedly by Tuhawaiki the Maori chief and in the Otago Museum.

Both highly collectible even by world standards.

If you want to be a real man you need a Knock Volley gun - heres what it say for your interest Flintlock - 'In 1780 the ordinance department ordered 500 of these seven barrel, Nock Volley Guns. The first 3 of these weapons were rifled, but it was found that the rifling was not necessary so all later models were smooth bore. There are 6 outside barrels located around a central barrel. The barrels are 20" long in .50 caliber. After removing the lock, the barrel section unscrews from the breech unit. The central barrel fires the outside barrels. There was another 106 made up after the Revolutionary War and delivered in 1788, these will have a double throated cock and standard frizzen spring. The original powder charge was 40 grains which I thought was very light but upon firing one of these guns with a 40 grain powder charge in each barrel the recoil is tremendous and when you think about 40 grains times seven barrels equaling 280 grains with seven .50 caliber lead balls which would be 3 1/2 inches of lead that is a tremendous charge, I did not shoot it a second time with the 40 grain charge.' - I got that from the outfit below - you might like the site - they make parts for sale for all manner of old weapons so that guys can repair or make their own.

http://therifleshoppe.co...alog_pages/english_arms/(789).htm

I have a large number of percussion and 19th Century guns but no flintlocks - might get one or more some day if I dont wake up dead first. Those Italian replicas are actually better than the originals as the steel is higher quality even though I collect originals I wouldnt mind a few replicas for hunting/shooting.

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Lammerlaw  
Posted : Tuesday, 20 December 2011 2:06:18 PM(UTC)
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At the end of the seasons gold mining these photos were taken bringing the gold gear home.

The photo taken with the breathing gear was taken at the hole shown in the last photo but by the tie the photo had been taken the gold had been recovered and it was just a chance for my father and us to try out the new compressor.

Back in those days the gear was all home made - At this stage I had never seen any commercially produced gear and even when it did become available my ancestral and heriditary tendencies toward spending money on anything that could be made by myself prevented me from ever really upgrading.

The pontoon floats were Hydrogen Peroxide containers purchased for the handsome sum of $2 each and the frame was scrap metal - some how it was just as efficient as the most expensive gear money could buy. If one of the 20 L containers ever got damaged it could be immediately replaced for $2!

I never saw any point in the most expensive gear and for that matter still dont. Home made might not look as nice but is it any less efficient?
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The last photo is of an eight pennyweight or 12 gramme nugget which came from the hole where my father is standing with his skin diving suit on.

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Posted : Tuesday, 20 December 2011 6:57:09 PM(UTC)
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I totally agree with the homemade thing......I'm a third generation backyard engineer/hot rodder so always try to make something first if its financially viable. I'm struggling at the moment though as the bloody liquefaction got into my mig welder and even though i cleaned it and crc'd everything, it worked fine for a few months until the corrosive properties of the liquefaction set in. It was my most used tool. Needed to weld up some new riffles for the sluicebox but will need to make out of wood or sheet metal and rivets. Sorry to bleat on in your thread but love to see the backyard built stuff!
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Posted : Tuesday, 20 December 2011 7:54:45 PM(UTC)
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I totally agree with the homemade thing......I'm a third generation backyard engineer/hot rodder so always try to make something first if its financially viable. I'm struggling at the moment though as the bloody liquefaction got into my mig welder and even though i cleaned it and crc'd everything, it worked fine for a few months until the corrosive properties of the liquefaction set in. It was my most used tool. Needed to weld up some new riffles for the sluicebox but will need to make out of wood or sheet metal and rivets. Sorry to bleat on in your thread but love to see the backyard built stuff!


I dont mind you stating this in the thread - it is good that you have contributed so for that it is me who is grateful - I am sorry to hear about the mig welder, the liquefaction and the whole mess that haas been created by the series of Earthquakes - its a heartbreak to see the people who have been displaced, many of whom dont know where to turn next, dont know what tomorrow will bring forth.

Its also great to see that some of you out there still make your own and do your own thing - ironically enough I have found that those who spend the least and make things themselves usually end up with more in the end as expensive items are often no more or even less efficient than homebuilt and costing more devalue at a far greater rate.

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Posted : Tuesday, 20 December 2011 8:00:00 PM(UTC)
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Chris,

My Mig welder has arrived so you can come around if you need to do any emergency welding to get your gold recovery gear going. I only have wire for welding steel and have yet to source a CO2 tank. If you want to weld aluminium, you'll have to bring your own Argon tank, regulator and wire :)

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Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2011 10:58:35 AM(UTC)
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Chris,

My Mig welder has arrived so you can come around if you need to do any emergency welding to get your gold recovery gear going. I only have wire for welding steel and have yet to source a CO2 tank. If you want to weld aluminium, you'll have to bring your own Argon tank, regulator and wire :)




That may be damn handy thank you.....I normally am a cheap ass and use gasless wire....i have a whole roll here.....what size wire do you use?
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Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2011 12:22:18 PM(UTC)
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Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2011 12:48:56 PM(UTC)
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keep yor eye open for an old co2 fire extingusher carbonic gases will fill it dont know about nzig
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Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2011 3:45:15 PM(UTC)
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keep yor eye open for an old co2 fire extingusher carbonic gases will fill it dont know about nzig


Why not send him a private note - dont you think that would be appropriate?
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Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2011 4:46:03 PM(UTC)
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keep yor eye open for an old co2 fire extingusher carbonic gases will fill it dont know about nzig


Why not send him a private note - dont you think that would be appropriate?



That was probably my fault for starting that conversation...sorry mate.
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Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2011 5:21:35 PM(UTC)
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keep yor eye open for an old co2 fire extingusher carbonic gases will fill it dont know about nzig


Why not send him a private note - dont you think that would be appropriate?



That was probably my fault for starting that conversation...sorry mate.


No need to apologise as we all do it to greater or lesser degree - at least with you guys its only a few words to get a message across but with me its a Political Party Broadcast!
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Posted : Thursday, 22 December 2011 4:12:08 PM(UTC)
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This photo is taken about 200 metres upstream from the 8 ounce hole.

The confluence of the small stream and the main river was a point where I picked up small amounts of gold regularly for years.

The first photo was taken from where just along from where we used to park the Landrover and looking toward the historic track going up to a quartz reef which was prospected in early days - at the site of the reef tunnels, the site of a stamper and the site of three mud houses,barely discernible now in the high tussock.

The last photo was taken from the hill at the top of the track in the first photo looking back toward where the first photo was taken from and careful study will shot the Landrovers visible on the hill above the side creek.

The second photo was taken from the ridge on the far left of the first photo and looks up the main stream - from the top end of this straight I had to walk on my own back to the landrover with a broken leg - I guess the hills still reverberate with the cuss words - that happened on the first day of the Christmas holidays!

The third Photograph show people beside a hole in the small stream leaidng into themain river

The fourth photograph shows yours truly dredging out the hole - there was next to nothing in it and yet 100 meters up the small creek two or three crevices gave good returns.

The fifth photograph was taken from a point standing beside the Landrover as shown in the last photo.

The wing dam clearly visible in the main river opposite the confluence with the small side stream slowly eroded over the years and after each flood good gold was found from the points where it had eroded out. The last time I was there I picked up a 3 gramme nugget. Also just upstream from the confluence beside the main river and on the same side as the small side stream stood a substantial two room house once, made of mud. Beside it we picked up a couple of Chinese Jars and a bottle of Mercury and many broken Chinese jars lay on the bank.

Just below the wing dam I got another nugget over a half an ounce or 15 grammes

Just upstream in the side stream stood another Chinese hut.

Directly below where the Landrovers are parked is the site beside the small side stream where depression era miners camped...one of them left a full tin of Havelock tobacco in a small rock niche where they had their tent pitched...this tin remained full of tobacco all those years through frost, fire, and the heat of summer until I found it.

The men who camped beside the stream below where the Landrovers are parked were there an entire summer during the depression and recovered three (3 only) ounces of gold - in one day right in front of where their tent was pitched a friend of mine got half an ounce!

In the last photograph at the top right hand corner can be seen the line of the old miners track which led down into the river, across it and up the other side as shown in the first photograph...more photos to follow as the track at this point also shows in one of my historic photos taken during the depression.

The last photos show some of the gold that came from within the scope of these photos - the largest nugget at ten penny weight or 15 grammes came from the main river just below the confluence, the D shaped nugget of eight pennyweight or 12 grammes came from halfway up the main river, the third largest nugget came from beside the wing dam and the rest came from beside the eroded wing dam as well.

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Posted : Monday, 26 December 2011 12:20:11 PM(UTC)
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Careful examination of the last photo in the above series will show our two Landrovers sitting on top of the hill above a cilff - this following photograph is the bottom of that self same cliff but taken in January of the year 1933.

It shows the camp of a group of Depression era miners. The spot where I used to park my Landrover is within the scope of this photograph. It was also on the site of where the main tent was pitched that under a man made rock cubby hole I found a full packet of Havelock Tobacco...left behind by the miners who owned the tent.

Behind their camp a hundred meters or so and just past the top of the cliff where I used to park my Landrover is another small depression and this depression is the site of a quartz reef but more on that later...maybe.

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Posted : Monday, 26 December 2011 6:25:00 PM(UTC)
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Well there sure was a fair bit of activity in those there hills over the years. Great stories. Thanks again.
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Posted : Monday, 26 December 2011 10:39:59 PM(UTC)
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A little bit of history -

Some years ago I was talking to a woman who asked me what I was going to do for the weekend - "Off Gold mining " I said and when she asked me where and I had told her she said that her uncle had been there during the depression...and he was still alive and well into his 90s. I wrote to him and he send me a detailed account of his time there as well as his photos.

He rode up there from Andersons Bay in Dunedin on a Cayuse and with two others set up camp.

The first photo shows the camp when it was being set up

The second photo shows the men standing beside their horses after the camp was set up...my cobber got half an ounce of gold in a very short time right behind and five meters down the creek from where the old chap with the waist coat is standing.

The third photo show the camp after their first night there - a terrific wind blew up and the camp blew down!
The third photo also shows the track down the ridge which is visible in the top right hand corner of the fifth photo of the series above.
In the third photo you can also see a line around the side of thebank on the opposite side of the creek - it is also visible in the fifth photo in the series above.

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Posted : Tuesday, 27 December 2011 12:33:24 PM(UTC)
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Hi Graeme, Priceless stuff mate. What a great contact to have made. Isnt it amazing where info can come from & what it comes from. Life changing stuff can come from such thin threads. That info & photo's could have been "lost" for ever.
Thanks for sharing.

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Posted : Tuesday, 27 December 2011 1:01:52 PM(UTC)
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Hi Graeme, Priceless stuff mate. What a great contact to have made. Isnt it amazing where info can come from & what it comes from. Life changing stuff can come from such thin threads. That info & photo's could have been "lost" for ever.
Thanks for sharing.

JW :)


Hi John - Hope Father Christmas looked after you - I am fretting because I am here and not there! There are two fellows, one of whom is not a member but perves on here regularly who have an immense wealth of information about my area - all the old photos, interviews with old timers, all the newspaper cuttings from year dot, mines records and historical photos. One or both of them could write the very best of histories.

Old 'Mac' who sent me the photos was gobsmacked when I said that I used a glass bottom box when I first went out and with the glass bottom box found many ounces - He said to me "Why I didnt think of using one during the depression I will never know after all I used one for flounders at Hoopers Inlet"

He didnt do too well up there as my story will reveal as it unfolds though I shant include all his photos nor include his letters as they would take pages.

Sons heading off for a couple of weeks - he has farmers go ahead up the Ida Valley - wish I was with him...from there he is going around South Island I think.

I will head up my place New Year,
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Posted : Wednesday, 28 December 2011 11:25:16 AM(UTC)
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After having camped at the site above the members of the Depression era party decided to move camp - for what reason I have no idea but their second camp was on a bit of a slope and on a site which was more poorly drained.

Their second site was within a stones throw of the hut I built into the hillside as shown in the first page of this thread although 'Old Mac' who sent me the photos claimed that is was a lot further but where he suggests has no background similar to the photos he took so I can only conclude that with seventy five years to remember back he has become a little hazy in his recollections.

When they left this spot they intended coming back the following summer and left their equipment under a rock shelter in front of which they placed a stone wall and then turfed it over to disguise it - 'Old Mac' and his friends never went back and in his letters to me he told me about the gear and informed me that it was mine if I care to retrieve it all.

If I have the location correct then the bedrock has been drilled and blasted down in the creek near his tent and a great deal of gold must have been recovered here in years past. It was near this spot that in the 1890s 21 ounces of gold was stolen from two miners.

http://paperspast.natlib...a=d&d=TT18911021.2.8

also the following report states that no 'Celestials' are suspect - a term used instead of Chinese.

http://paperspast.natlib...mp;e=-------10--1----2--

Personally I find it pleasing that the Chinese were not suspect as I have read a great deal on the Chinese miners and hold them in exceptionally high regard - they were unassuming, kindly, hard working and kept to themselves. On the Californian and Australian Goldfields they were often persecuted and bullied but in New Zealand experienced by and large better treatment and after the gold rush years were over many remained here to form the nucleus of New Zealands Chinese community and like all those who emigrated to this land became 'New Zealanders' and thus helped to create the international flavour which has become the culture unique to New Zealand...a little bit Maori, a little bit European and a little bit Asian. The Chinese market gardens and fruit shops became a well known part of our culture.

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