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Lammerlaw  
Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 8:47:37 PM(UTC)
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The first of two tools which are actual goldfield artifacts is the least interesting in some respects as it is pretty ordinary in shape - but it is an original 'oldie' - it was uncovered after heavy flooding on my property so was not only buried but it was also preserved.
The only thing I do not know is if it dates to early miners prior to 1900 or to Depression miners though I do suspect that it is an early one but well preserved. I also found the shovel close to this spade, plus the remains of Chinese artifacts washed out of the bank and this further indicates that it might be early.

The brand is 'NEVERBEND' No.3 - made by Spear and Jackson, a company which came into being in 1830 though it did have its beginnings long prior to that date. The name is still known today but now owned I believe by Neil Tools...Neils Tools renamed itself Spear and Jackson as that name had a reputation for good products.

The construction of this old time miners spade is such that I would have no problems rehandling it and using it and I am quite sure that regardless of the number of years it was buried it would still be stronger than many tools today.

I would not be surprised if the blade is wrought iron as it has not rusted like most iron items do in the type of soil it came from - I noted many,many years ago that wrought iron seemed to preserve in remarkably good condition whereas other forms of iron, and especially caste iron more or less rusted to pieces.'


An interesting observation is the fact that the blade could be termed 'composite' - as the photos show a bulge where the handle attaches - this bulge is hollow so that the handle actually went right down into the actual blade of the spade and along the shoulder of the spade lie foot ledges which must have been inserted by a Blacksmith at the factory as they appear to be forge welded into place - today as strong as ever.

Where the handle goes into the composite blade it has wooden 'outriggers' on either side to fill in the wedge shaped gap in the two blade halves and this feature can be seen in photographs three and four.

As for the handle it did begin to fall apart as it dried out so I drowned it in Linseed Oil - great stuff!

They sure made them well in those days and it is far superior to many spades available today.

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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 12:17:04 PM(UTC)
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I have a lot of my grandfathers woodworking tools that he was given by old timers when he was an apprentice. They sure are made well. If I wasnt worried about losing or damaging them, I could easily still use them. They sure dont make them like they used to. The amount of time it must have taken to produce a quality spade like that is amazing compared to the 3 seconds or so it takes some chinese factory to pop out a shitty modern one.
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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 1:11:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: chrischch Go to Quoted Post
I have a lot of my grandfathers woodworking tools that he was given by old timers when he was an apprentice. They sure are made well. If I wasnt worried about losing or damaging them, I could easily still use them. They sure dont make them like they used to. The amount of time it must have taken to produce a quality spade like that is amazing compared to the 3 seconds or so it takes some chinese factory to pop out a shitty modern one.


You just keep your grandfathers carpentry tools - they are good things to have - there were around 200 different moulding plains alone and an entire collection of them would be great to have - they were made out of top quality woods - amongst the best were those made by Mathieson of Glasgow. Some of the old companies who made them are still around, or at least the name is still around - Stanley being a noted one, Spear and Jackson as noted above and Starrett though Starrett now belongs to Stanley. Marples was another good quality brand which is still available today - the name is still respected 170 years after first going into business.

I have my grandfather carpentry tools as well and still use them now and again, especially a number 45 Stanley Plough set patented in 1901 and a level marked 'Cookes Patent level Patent Dec 7th 1886 - good tools and made to last.
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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 2:37:22 PM(UTC)
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Yes I have tools by most of those names. I have a few Starrett brand engineering tools also that I got when i bought a really old metal lathe off an older fella. I love buying bulk lots like that and looking through for the treasure!
Only problem being that I was told yesterday that my house and garages (6 car garaging) will be demolished or removed whilst they sink 6 metre piles into the ground and then reinstate everything back in place etc. Where the hell am I going to put everything! Its incredible how much stuff one can accumulate in 10 years! Too many interests and hobbies is the problem but it cant be helped. I have an incurable hoarding disease lol
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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 3:05:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: chrischch Go to Quoted Post
Yes I have tools by most of those names. I have a few Starrett brand engineering tools also that I got when i bought a really old metal lathe off an older fella. I love buying bulk lots like that and looking through for the treasure!
Only problem being that I was told yesterday that my house and garages (6 car garaging) will be demolished or removed whilst they sink 6 metre piles into the ground and then reinstate everything back in place etc. Where the hell am I going to put everything! Its incredible how much stuff one can accumulate in 10 years! Too many interests and hobbies is the problem but it cant be helped. I have an incurable hoarding disease lol


Hoarding is a disease - let me assure you - your just a liability to your family so I suggest that you donate everything to a worthwhile cause...no need for both of us to be liabilities! - to be taken as a joke - if you knew me you would understand. I am one of those people who never say no when offered anything...I accept it then ponder the problems afterward - I have a great big bofors gun barrel coming shortly - no where to put it but it will get put somewhere...I also tried to buy a 4.5 inch ships gun the other day as well - no where to put it but I would have put it somewhere...I got a 20mm Oerlikon Anti Aircraft gun given to me - no where to put it so it currently lives in the bedroom...though I am a bit worried about it as everytime I make overtures to my wife about nefarious bedroom activities she sort of looks at the gun barrel.

Seriously though I have the same problem with storage and have though of buying a couple of containers - maybe that is what you need to put your stuff in while the piles are being put in place?

I like bulk lots as well - I ended up with the entire selection of tools and so on of the old chap who I so often mention on this forum with whom I used to go goldmining - he used to own a garage - it was one of the first two garages in Dunedin apparently - he became an apprentice to it when it was owned by McCullochs long and took it over prior to WWII - I have even got his gas welding gear (Oxygen bottle 1935) his Blackhawk Porto-power and its original factory table (about 1937)...I have a house lot of roofing iron - only four years old, bricks in stacks, tiles, 4x2 Rimu lengths and long defunct lawnmowers - bottles, tins, containers and who knows what of bolts, nuts, fittings, pipes, etc and etc. Bank tellers safes full of tools and gear and goodness knows what.

and Gold mining gear...we cant forget that.

Good luck with the moving and storing of your gear - you will get there - some problems do seem insurmountable but they get done all the same. Good luck.

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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 3:27:05 PM(UTC)
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go for it you good things yes lammerlaw you do have a collection as ive seen

i still have my grandfathers axe 3 new handles and a new head i know an oldie but a goodie

i dont seem to have much maybe i shit round to much
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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 3:35:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwikeith Go to Quoted Post
go for it you good things yes lammerlaw you do have a collection as ive seen

i still have my grandfathers axe 3 new handles and a new head i know an oldie but a goodie

i dont seem to have much maybe i shit round to much

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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 3:37:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwikeith Go to Quoted Post
go for it you good things yes lammerlaw you do have a collection as ive seen

i still have my grandfathers axe 3 new handles and a new head i know an oldie but a goodie

i dont seem to have much maybe i shit round to much


If you need more axe heads for the family heirloom let me know next time you are here as I seem to have broken so many handles over the years and left the heads discarded that I keep tripping over them in the back yard every so often - garage sales - great places for axes!
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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 4:02:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwikeith Go to Quoted Post
go for it you good things yes lammerlaw you do have a collection as ive seen

i still have my grandfathers axe 3 new handles and a new head i know an oldie but a goodie

i dont seem to have much maybe i shit round to much


Much better shitting round ones than square ones though.

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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 4:17:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: oroplata Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwikeith Go to Quoted Post
go for it you good things yes lammerlaw you do have a collection as ive seen

i still have my grandfathers axe 3 new handles and a new head i know an oldie but a goodie

i dont seem to have much maybe i shit round to much


Much better shitting round ones than square ones though.





LOL I wasnt the only one that noticed that then?


"Good luck with the moving and storing of your gear - you will get there - some problems do seem insurmountable but they get done all the same. Good luck."

Thanks for that. I cant even imagine where to start.
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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 4:56:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: oroplata Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwikeith Go to Quoted Post
go for it you good things yes lammerlaw you do have a collection as ive seen

i still have my grandfathers axe 3 new handles and a new head i know an oldie but a goodie

i dont seem to have much maybe i shit round to much


Much better shitting round ones than square ones though.



If Puckle invented a 'machine gun' - which he did which had two magazines, one with round chambers to shoot round bullets to kill Christians and one with square chambers to kill 'Infidel Turks' then one might safely assume that Christians shit round ones and infidels shit square ones -

Puckle demonstrated two versions of the basic design: one, intended for use against Christian enemies, fired conventional round bullets, while the second variant, designed to be used against the Muslim Turks, fired square bullets. The square bullets were invented in part by Kyle Tunis and were considered to be more damaging. They would, according to the patent, convince the Turks of the "benefits of Christian civilization." The square bullets, however, were discontinued due to their unpredictable flight pattern.[2]
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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 5:03:46 PM(UTC)
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Well BUGGER ME!

You learn something every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun

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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 5:07:10 PM(UTC)
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Well BUGGER ME!

You learn something every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun



Yes you sure do and did you also notice that the slick buggers at wikipedia copied me word for word!!!
Lammerlaw  
Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 6:26:28 PM(UTC)
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This shovel was found not so far from where I picked up the spade - once again it had been uncovered by flood waters and thus had been buried for many years and extremely well preserved considering how thin the steel of a shovel blade is. Over the years I have picked up many old shovels either discarded by the old nineteenth century miners because they were worn out or left besides their huts with the intention of maybe one day returning.

On the odd occasion I would take the shovels back to the hut and just leave them there as curiosities but this one was so remarkably preserved that I brought it home, treated it with Linseed oil and have kept it ever since. Of the dozens of shovels I have found over the years it is the only one with not only the complete tangs for the handle but also enough of the handle to get a perfect impression of its shape. That might not seem a big deal because everyone knows what a shovel handle looks like - but did they know what a nineteenth century gold miners shovel handle looked like and did they realise that the handle apparently was actually a different shape.

The construction of the shovel is just as complex as the construction of the spade. The steel part of a modern shovel is one piece so that the blade and haft are one stamping. The old time shovel was totally different - the bade was a separate part and the top tang was also separate as was the bottom tang. As can be seen form the photographs the top and bottom tang were riveted to the blade using six rivets for the bottom tang and four for the top tang - the shovel therefore consisted of three major metal component parts.

To make the construction even more complex both the top and bottom tang were 'cranked' as was the handle.

As can be seen form the photographs the old time shovel was totally different in construction and indeed shape to a modern one and it can also be seen that the shape was indeed better suited to shovelling! Today a three part construction shovel with a cranked handle such as this one would cost a good deal more to manufacture.

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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 7:19:31 PM(UTC)
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Hi there Lammerlaw. Isnt that navy colt a wonderful piece. They just look so amazing. Shame about the museum gun, that must hurt. Keep up the cool posts there most enjoyable.

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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 7:50:15 PM(UTC)
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You certainly have a great collection there Graham.

The oldest gun I have is a .22 Winchester pump action rifle dated 1911 I think.

Was given to me by a WW2 soldier friend of the family.He also left a magazine clip off a Lee Enfield .303

with a few live rounds left in it but I lost it,might have to use the metal detector to find it.

Can try to post some photos of the rifle if you're interested.
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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 7:51:40 PM(UTC)
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Hi there Lammerlaw. Isnt that navy colt a wonderful piece. They just look so amazing. Shame about the museum gun, that must hurt. Keep up the cool posts there most enjoyable.

Shane


Out of several hundred old guns I own the Colt Navy is my favourite - they always were - I know of the existence of another one with a gold fields pedigree having been kept in the office of one of the large Central Otago claims back in the days of old. Great guns the Navy Colts - I guess if I had been around in those days one of them would have been my weapon of choice even though they were not as robust as the Adams and Tranters.

Hope the weather up your way is better than down here and hope your finding heaps of goodies...I also have a soft spot for the silver coins found with metal detectors so enjoy seeing what you guys get...with a twinge of envy I might add!
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Posted : Sunday, 29 January 2012 11:02:35 AM(UTC)
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The weather up here is all over the place but generally ok. Overcast alot and not much sun. The growers are not very happy at all.
Seeing the GOLD coloured trigger guard on the navy colt brought back memorys of when dad use to make replica guns from both wood or steel. We would mix up our own paints like gunmetal, that sort of thing and dad sometimes painted his trigger guards GOLD. We were always making guns and stuff.

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Posted : Sunday, 29 January 2012 9:27:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: diggerjoe Go to Quoted Post
You certainly have a great collection there Graham.

The oldest gun I have is a .22 Winchester pump action rifle dated 1911 I think.

Was given to me by a WW2 soldier friend of the family.He also left a magazine clip off a Lee Enfield .303

with a few live rounds left in it but I lost it,might have to use the metal detector to find it.

Can try to post some photos of the rifle if you're interested.


The 1911 date is not the actual date of the rifle but rather the last patent date - If it has an Octagon Barrel then it is a Model 1890 and if a round barrel a Model 1906. The Model designation is on the tang and either written as 1890 or 90 or 1906 or 06. If you give me the model and the serial number I will be able tot ell you what year it was made.

Model 1890 rifles were only chamber for .22 Short or .22 Long or .22 WRF and then in 1919 they were also chambered for .22 Long Rifle.

At this stage dont worry about posting photos but if it has most of the original finish you never know - I might go gaa gaa over it!
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Posted : Sunday, 29 January 2012 9:33:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: creamer Go to Quoted Post
The weather up here is all over the place but generally ok. Overcast alot and not much sun. The growers are not very happy at all.
Seeing the GOLD coloured trigger guard on the navy colt brought back memorys of when dad use to make replica guns from both wood or steel. We would mix up our own paints like gunmetal, that sort of thing and dad sometimes painted his trigger guards GOLD. We were always making guns and stuff.

Shane


Hi Shane - just back from Gold mining and totally zonked.

We made guns as kids and not so many years ago I made four copies of the Old Stevens Favorites for a things my daughter and her friends were putting on at Primary School - I dont know how that went down - probably like a lead balloon.

I also made a pirates pistol for my son using a genuine shotgun side lock with hammer - he took it to a university thing where they had to dress up and a cop was there and said that it looked pretty good...I told my son that he was lucky that the cop was a level headed decent sort and not one of those Gestapo like twits

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