Originally Posted by: rgmcbrid 
Greame,
You point out all these problems and blame it banks, privatization etc., but you are missing the big pictures. No matter what system you are under, capitalist Marxist or whatever, the only way it will work is if the government fairly and equally enforces the laws. Historically no government has been very good at this. Any failure you can come up with, if you go back to the source of the problem it is a failure of government. For example you say private property doesn’t work because OSH makes landowners weary about letting the public recreate on their property. The problem there isn’t the landowner; it is OSH (the government). You talk about national dept, that isn’t a banking problem that is a government spending problem. And any other problem you come up with I will point out that it was a failure of government. So the point I have been trying to make is that if the root of the problem is that governments are very poor at governing, then you should strip them down and make them simple and have then do as little as possible. Not run the power companies and telecommunications etc, just enforce the rules of society (that is they should be keeping the telecommunications companies from collecting your personal data).
You are totally incorrect when you say ' national dept, that isn’t a banking problem that is a government spending problem' - incorrect, totally incorrect - sorry Robert but it was the BANKERS who encouraged us to become the 'Welfare State' - It was the BANKERS who instigated the concept of loans by 'Fractiional Reserve Banking' and the Governments fault for not seeing through it or selling their souls to the BANKERS and betraying the people of the country. It comes back to the rich - the politicians didnt care about people - all they care about is money in THEIR pockets. It is the BANKERS who dictate terms now - the BANKERS - who gets the Macraes gold Robert? - the BANKERS - the very ones who loaned us money under the Fractional Reserve system! Any one can research that and find out for themselves. Why do they get the gold - because they have the government by the throat - well I am sure you know the relationship between gold and finances -
I note well that you do not argue with me about privatisation in relationship to the selling of Government or State Assets and especially communications - it has failed - we were told it would bring in competition between providers - the costs have spiralled out of control. The electricity price increases have escalated at a greater rate than inflation or wage and salary increases...we are worse off. Look at Electricity - why doesnt the Government curb it? Can you answer that?
Private land ownership - you cannot quote OSH as being the cause as there were always problems with individual landowners so that EVERY private property throughout the ages has a different set of rules determined by the nature and personality of the land owner. Those rules are set by a land owner in keeping with his personality and nature, the respect of others for him and his property, the greater number of people about today, modern transport and the mess it can create on farm tracks and off tracks,
greater pressure due to more tourism and the ease of travel, more demand for access as a result of increased population and more efficient transport, more stock losses and pilfering as the result of greed and the inability of others to make ends meet - ranging form stealing a sheep for own use through to entire flocks - my neighbour has lost $70,000 last I heard.
To reiterate - Cease all loan repaymens - its been paid off so bugger them as they have had more than enough
Stop all gold going off shore form the big mines and take it into State coffers
Annex all State property back into State hands
Put politicians in who serve the people
Ensure all State land is PUBLIC DOMAIN
Set up an independent monitoring and performance organisation to oversee the political decisions and any politician who oversteps the mark is gone instantly.
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