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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 2:57:25 PM(UTC)
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AND EVERY HOLE I DUG A COUPLE DAYS AGO HAD BEEN PULLED OUT AND THROWN ROUND THE PARK!!!! cant believe it the little shits. I try my best to keep the area looking untouched by filling in the holes. I betternot get a bad name for this act, i did fill them in againbut now dirt all round the parkandlooks abloody mess...what elsecould i do...
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 3:18:14 PM(UTC)
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dont dig in parks or in areas that the public use?
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 3:32:06 PM(UTC)
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That would be my worst nightmare - especially if people in the area knew you were detecting there!

But to lessen the chance of it happening in the future I would:

Make sure that I only dug 3 sides of the turf (horseshoe or V shape). With one side still attached by its roots it will not only force the little sh_ts to have to rip the plug out, the grass will also recover much faster. This will also avoid the parks lawnmower from lifting and munching up the plug.

Thump down the edges of the cuts once the turf has been replaced, if you use a Lesche or similar the handle is good for this. This will help disguise the edges of the hole as well as removing some air gaps in the soil allowing the roots to grow faster. This is only good if the soil is damp, if its dry I would avoid detecting in that area as a plug is impossible to disguise in these situations.

Detect early hours of the morning. The kids who pulled the plugs probably saw you detecting to know where all the plugs were, by hitting parks when nobody is around avoids this situation and any ignorant people getting their nose out of joint about the hobby.

Hopefully you will get some rain down there in the next few days. One heavy shower and the dirt showing on the surface will disappear.


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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 3:54:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: under the bedrock Go to Quoted Post
dont dig in parks or in areas that the public use?

+1 its a no brainer really. i know some of you have asked the council blah blah but it shouldnt really happen at all on public land, any other types of recreational activity that involves digging etc needs to have a consent . Im sure you would be pissed if you went outside in the morning and some prick had dug holes all over your lawn.

why not just go to beaches at least then 1 tide and every thing is back to normal.

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Originally Posted by: under the bedrock Go to Quoted Post
dont dig in parks or in areas that the public use?

+1 its a no brainer really. i know some of you have asked the council blah blah but it shouldnt really happen at all on public land, any other types of recreational activity that involves digging etc needs to have a consent . Im sure you would be pissed if you went outside in the morning and some prick had dug holes all over your lawn.

why not just go to beaches at least then 1 tide and every thing is back to normal.



I dont live by a beach, and im not a prick who digsholes
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 4:10:07 PM(UTC)
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yeah, my thoughts exactly.

i'm surprised some pissed member of the public with too much time on their hands hasn't ended everyone's fun already. that's all it takes usually. some disgruntled person seeing others having fun.

if i was digging for gold in these places i think i would wisely choose when to dig. when the ground is wet would be the one i think. when its dry it's just asking for trouble. was it kids for sure or has someone's dog gotten wise to someone non-canine digging in their patch?!

what sort of bylaws do they have in oz for this sort of thing?

i've only seen detecting done at the beaches. boy those daily diggers sure move fast on bondi.

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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 4:27:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gogold Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: under the bedrock Go to Quoted Post
dont dig in parks or in areas that the public use?

+1 its a no brainer really. i know some of you have asked the council blah blah but it shouldnt really happen at all on public land, any other types of recreational activity that involves digging etc needs to have a consent . Im sure you would be pissed if you went outside in the morning and some prick had dug holes all over your lawn.

why not just go to beaches at least then 1 tide and every thing is back to normal.



The above is why I included this in my last post: ".... and any ignorant people getting their nose out of joint about the hobby."

If done properly there is no damage to the parks. In fact every council park worker I have talked to hasn't minded me digging plugs at all and I've seen kids playing rugby and horses trotting around doing a lot more damage then anything a detector is capable of.
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 4:28:41 PM(UTC)
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I have mixed feelings on this subject - personally I am too shy to detect in parks - at least when others are about as I hate onlookers, sight seers and anyone one else within view.
I respect the rights of others to go looking even if I am not game enough to go there but have a feeling that time is running out as an awareness grows of metal detecting and parks being dug up so that in the end the authorities will make it unlawful
As for the little sods who pulled out your plugs it is not your fault but if they found them so readily to pull out then maybe they were fairly obvious and if they had been replaced carefully and flush with the ground then they would actually have required some effort to get their fingers into them to pull them out.

I know that when I did over the race course in Waimate about 1981 you simply could not tell where I had replaced the plugs in most cases. I took a sharp knife - well a cut down sword it is - and cut three sides of a square then folded it back onto the uncut fourth side - it worked well for me.

For you it was bad luck and an unforeseen thing but will make you wary - now you have me wondering what evil you can do to trap them - how about taking a plastic bag of dog shit and smearing just a little over the top of each plug with your digging tool...that will teach the little twerps!

I hope the old adage - 'Honi soit que mal y pense' (Evil be to he who evil thinks ) does not descend on me next time I am out metal detecting and I end up with a handful of dog dirt!

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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 4:56:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shilo Go to Quoted Post


The above is why I included this in my last post: ".... and any ignorant people getting their nose out of joint about the hobby."

If done properly there is no damage to the parks. In fact every council park worker I have talked to hasn't minded me digging plugs at all and I've seen kids playing rugby and horses trotting around doing a lot more damage then anything a detector is capable of.


well if they dont have to hide their damage then why do you?
hobby or not detecting parks etc is all for personal/monetary gain its no different then if you were to be out in the hills detecting gold i dont see why it is exempt from getting a consent or access permission its still public land, the fact that you "disguse your holes" makes one think that you know what you are doing is frowned upon and shouldnt be doing it.
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 5:20:16 PM(UTC)
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Here we go again.

Ok, maybe the word "disguise" was the wrong one to use. "Put right" or "Repair" would be more appropriate. As I said before if done properly there is NO damage done to the park.

Jewellery and coins are not covered by the Minerals Act, if somebody was hunting native gold it would be different. Please don't get me wrong, I consider the Act to be a load of BS as it gives large companies preferential rights and ties up what is owned by all kiwi's and should be available to them at least recreationally. Put it this way, if you were walking DOC land or council reserve and found a nugget laying on the track it will be illegal to pick it up because you don't have a claim & consent. Yet if it was a gold ring you're not breaking any laws.

Unfair? Yes but the whole concept of the minerals act is.
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 5:30:56 PM(UTC)
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we dont "disguse our holes"we put the plug back as best as we can out of respect for other useing the parks.detecting parks and prospecting natural resorces are completely diferent i dont see the need for permits for detecting parks and im guesing that alot of gold prospecters havnt paid for claims on the areas they prospect.
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 5:47:49 PM(UTC)
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Good to Go, I think you did the right thing by filling the holes.

As Shilo says digging a 3 sided flap may be a good idea.

For me I did a plug and replace use my foot to tamp down and in most cases the dig is not noticable, however, over the next few days the grass does turn brown but the first rain it is the patch in the park that the grass is growing the fastest. Just like the vege garden, sometimes plants do like the ground stirred up a little.

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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 6:59:05 PM(UTC)
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I didnt take too much notice of the word 'disguise' in the context above - but that is exactly what should be done in a manner of speaking - in other words to replace the plug in such a manner that no one could tell that it had ever been disturbed and in so doing 'disguise' the fact that it had been disturbed so that little morons who are the reason the thread was begun do not notice that the ground has been disturbed and tear it up!

Being the epitome of hypocrisy if I got my way I would be in Egypt with a fairly large bulldozer shifting lots of neatly and methodically symmetrically stacked stones looking for goodies so that I cannot in all fairness have a gripe at guys who leave noticeable holes in the park so that little morons can tear them up again.

In actual fact society is becoming a police state ruled over by Mini Hitlers who are always ready to dob you in for ten cents.
I remember the days when you could go anywhere with your detector looking for coins and never once had a rejection to search behind a tote or A & P showground, where you could even take your rifle and plonk a bunny if it stuck its head out, when you didnt need a blasted cycle helmet to ride your bike there and when a seat belt was a novelty and anyone who saw one said "Wtf is that?"

Make the most of whats left while you can you guys but yes it is best to remove all evidence of your passing as it will allay the inevitable for a bit longer but the more obvious the signs then the more complaints from the do gooders who shit in their own nests and the more complaints to the authoritative Gestapo orientated local council arse lickers and then its goodbye metal detecting...except in one of the ten or so designated metal detecting beaches they set up around the country to keep the peasant happy...just like the ridiculous gold fossicking areas. Some of you will rememebr that ALL of New Zealand except freehold land was once free to fossick on with the renewal of your annual Five bob miners right.
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 7:20:59 PM(UTC)
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 7:49:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: digahole!! Go to Quoted Post
rememebr that ALL of New Zealand except freehold land was once free to fossick on with the renewal of your annual Five bob miners right.


It still is isn't it? Some prick made the law change sure, but it doesn't mean you have to follow it.


New Zealand belongs to us all and it is about time WE made our servants - the politicians accountable for their decisions rather than allow them to dance on the end of the puppet strings of the foreign bankers!

To my way of thinking go for your life - as long as it is public land.

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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 8:15:29 PM(UTC)
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I always push the earth back to place with my foot, admittedly some areas were dry and you could tell where id been but if we cant detect over parks doesnt seem right to me.from nowon i think i wont bother by the way my Garrett worked brilliantly !! lol
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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 9:47:27 PM(UTC)
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Did someone slip to the wrong side of the forum?

I've been trying my best to hunt at first light, no interruptions and if the grass is still damp it makes it easy to see where you have been easier to dig and you seem to find targets just a little deeper, maybe it's just less ambient noise.
I don't take a shovel with me, I think that generally if someone sees you with one they will think you are trying to dig a bunker. I'm not saying that the guys that use shovels make a mess, I'm just saying that in my opinion that's what people will think.
If the ground is crumbly then it's probably best not dig there, if you do the plug will shrink and the grass will die, some people water all their plugs but I'm sure how much this would help in really crumbly ground.

What works for me is - don't dig plugs smaller than a baked beans tin, if you miss the target you will just have to enlarge the hole anyways - dig at 90 degrees to the ground a cone shape plug just gets kicked out or sucked up by mowers - I dig round plugs but leave a good size flap and as much dirt attached to the plug as possible - Replace the plug and push firmly back into place.

Lammerlaw is right, it's just a matter of time before we can't go to the local park so we should make use of them while we can, that doesn't mean go nuts and do mass group hunts. Keep doing as we do - treat everywhere with respect and leave it as close to what we found it as possible.


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Posted : Sunday, 17 February 2013 10:18:15 PM(UTC)
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its just the time of the year everywhere is dry and if your doing parks its gona get harder and harder to fill holes tidylike. i agree with cut yir plugs a bit bigger if your doing the parks during the dry season smaller clods will allmost certaintly die and come loose.
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Posted : Monday, 18 February 2013 2:46:19 PM(UTC)
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Sounds like an iscolated incident Good to Go. Least you done the right thing and went back to fix the holes as best you can. I have often gone back to an area to check over the holes ive dug just to be sure to be sure.
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i just got a garrett pinpointer creamer, still got my F2 is a great detector
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