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...But will it do the good old every day kiwi any good - will it make things easier for the holiday and hobby prospector? Will it make things easier for the weekend fossicker? Will it be easier to get a small claim for the small scale fellow? Will it create more public fossicking areas and will it protect the rights of good old kiwis to carry out recreational fossicking on their own land - or will the criminal political system bow, scrape and piss in the pockets of the corporate mining empire?

Here's another thing to worry about:
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/doc-income-conservation-land-under-scrutiny-4688686

So they are going to make it easier for companies to prospect but charge more for the use of DOC land. For the hobby fossicker with small claim on DOC land this could have a double negative impact - getting pushed out by the large companies and if they manage to hold their claim, slammed with fees from DOC.

Now is the time to start pushing the Govt for change that supports the part time fossicker otherwise everybody will get caught up with what the international companies lawyers fight for and that will not be in the hobbyist's interests!.

i think everyone's above comments pretty much sum it up for me. a bit of change, make it easier for foreigners to shaft us, more money grabbing, etc, etc.

nothing ever becomes better in new zealand. that would be dreaming. the law changes, someone gets shafted some more and the average new zealand lumps it and plods on making taxes for a useless government. until the root of the problem changes nothing will be for the better. what we need is a government that works for the people, not the wishes of foreign companies and foreign governments and the rich new zealand sector with self interest in mind. you just need to look at your local council. most of those guys are all in it for their own interests, which are usually not far from property development. those that aren't are the followers, whether by there own wishes or not, that often have the ideas but not the powers needed, ie the rich gang of mates.

i don't want to be a pessimist but that's just how it is. you're better off just getting out their with like minded people and making the most of what is a difficult situation.

i suppose we should just be grateful we are not a regime and have to face military crackdowns!

happy mining. looks like the good summer weather is coming back. was a bit of snow around these parts.

Fact - International Bankers OWN the Western world finances - the American Dollar is NOT owned by the State it is owned by private enterprise, likewise the British Pound (Rothschilds) - around 200 individual families OWN the finances of this world - they are 'the' ultimate criminal consumers.

These bankers payroll and finance large corporations as well as governments - they dictate terms - Governments borrow money from them under Fractional Reserve Banking - look that one up on internet and see the implications - we are trapped and there is NO way out.

Our governments can never pay its so called debt back under Fractional Reserve Banking so the bankers dictate terms - their ultimate goal is to OWN what is ours - the finance the mining companies - they dictate where the gold goes - I believe that Rotthschilds get the Macraes Gold - we get 1% royalty of our own gold.

'It is time for people to wake up - take over the government and put in a peoples government - one that is answerable to a peoples monitoring system and accountable to the citizens of New Zealand only so that it becomes a criminal act to negotiate or deal with the International banking community.

We cease all payments to the International Bankers under the Fractional Reserve system - it was paid back long ago.

We deal with countries who likewise wish to regain their freedom, if need be we deal with third world countries - natural resources for food and clothing...we can produce all of that.

New Zealand becomes New Zealand again - big fishing giants are gone - the fishing industry goes back into the hands of the small shore based fishermen, Moeraki, Port Chalmers, Waikouaiti etc, Enthusiast miners go back to buying for say one dollar a yearly prospecting licence which allows them to prospect and fossick on all Crown Lands, others interests of the Kiwi citizens are protected forever under a new constitution that effectively places New Zealand into the hands of the New Zealands and out of the hands of the International bankers and the companies they finance.

Hi If you watch a dvd Inside Job you will realize what is going on.
Bill

Shall we draft a submission?

I would like a system where even though those companies can buy up large swathes of mineral rights, the top 1 metre of ground, and all waterways are reserved for casual fossickers with an easy-to-obtain permit.

Well if Ron Paul gets in, the USA might not be calling the shots so much as global financial/industrial policy goes, and that might help NZ regain it's old status.

Interesting post Lammerlaw. I agree with your statement about reducing the tax burden for lower income people, but that's not necessarily going to be achieved by hiking taxes for those on higher incomes (which for the record I am not). All that does is shift the burden of over-consumption. Higher income earners represent only a relatively small proportion of taxpayers. If hiking taxes for them and providing tax relief for those on lower incomes was feasible, then it would have been done already.

The fact is the past few decades have seen increasing demands on government spending. For example we have an ageing population - an increasing number of people are living longer and consuming services like healthcare for longer. There's not much we can do about that unless the economy grows and the ratio of producers and earners (taxpayers) increases. In other words the burden of providing societies wants is spread over a greater number of taxpayers. We taxpayers also support significant numbers of people who collect various benefits provided to those without work. Whilst some people are genuinely dependant through no fault of their own, others blatantly abuse the system which obviously places unnecessary strain on taxpayers.

Is fair to tax someone who is more successful at a higher rate? They may be earning more but don't forget they're still paying tax on it. I work with a lot of business people who, it is accurate to say, generally earn more than their employees, however their contribution to society and the economy shouldn't just be measured by how much tax they pay. Fact is their initiative and investment provide tangible benefits for the economy in the form of jobs. Business people, shareholders and investors should all be entitled to a reasonable return on their capital commensurate with the risk they take in investing it.

Rather than personalise and blame the "rich" for all NZ's woes I believe there should be general tightening of the tax regime so that businesses of all types and sizes pay tax at the same effective rate. Simplify the complex tax framework that provides so many opportunities for large corporates to minimise the amount of tax they pay. At the same time we need to reform the welfare system to reduce the burden on working people who pay tax. Welfare and associated spending have consistently been the largest growth area in government spending for several decades.

Edited by user Tuesday, 17 January 2012 10:02:46 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Reduce government spending and you can reduce tax.

hi Lammerlaw // at least reclaim the mainland for south islander // goverment by the people for the people //how much power has gone from the south to the north island //thats includes electricity// the south over the years has never benifited from north //what has been sent south ???????????years nothing good goverments dont want to upset the natives ???? Mate if i can call you that you have spoken for a lot of people on this forurm so as both of us get older we need to add changes to the younger peoples thinking this forum is the place to do Tell your stories on the forum so what you @ I did 40 _50 years ago will not be lost luggate CentralOtago ex kiwi123