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Posted : Tuesday, 13 December 2011 12:30:41 PM(UTC)
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Gidday folks

I'm dropping my darling mother in law back to Murch on Boxing Day and I'm hoping to have a stooge around the Howard on the back to Blenheim

What's the condition of Porika Track these days? Wouldn't mind looking at the rivers in that area instead of further up the valley
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Posted : Tuesday, 13 December 2011 7:14:58 PM(UTC)
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Hi Kiwi-last I heard there were a lot of trees down in the last big blow and that DOC/Tasman Council werent going to clear them but that was on the steep bit coming up from the lake.You should be ok coming in from the other end but Id be checking with DOC first just in case...
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Posted : Tuesday, 13 December 2011 9:49:43 PM(UTC)
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I came through the Porika a couple of weeks ago.
The Murch end of the track is getting pretty rutted and requires some ground clearance.
The Howard end has a wet spot that I am guessing will be pretty wet at the moment and most of the traffic has been driving up the bank to avoid the puddle.
There was no trees down then, but that was before the last blow. I am sure it wouldn't be long before some chainsaws have been through to open up the track.
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Posted : Tuesday, 13 December 2011 10:01:37 PM(UTC)
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Cheers guys. I would be coming in from the Howard end of the Porika Track. My wife did a mountain bike ride last year and the road was pretty gnarly back then especially as she got closer to the lake. Always spend a bit more time on the Buller I suppose before I head home
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Posted : Tuesday, 13 December 2011 10:01:59 PM(UTC)
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I was at the Howard on 15th November.

Some bloody arsehole has dragged a dredge upstream from the ford until they could drive no further and suctioned the bottom couple of hundred metres of the public fossicking area.
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Posted : Tuesday, 13 December 2011 10:06:43 PM(UTC)
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Now that is enough to get the authorities a bit pissssed. The Department of Consternation will be keeping a close eye on everyone.
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 9:29:11 AM(UTC)
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I would like to think so but I can't see it being a happening thing.

Another of those like-minded cretins has also been to the public area at Goldsborough and vacuumed an area there.

I wonder what makes these pricks think that just because they have spent a considerable sum on their equipment, they now have a right to plunder where they want.

To me it is quite simple. If you want to use a dredge, get a claim, or go to some out-of-the way place on private land that the public will never be able to access.
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 9:44:35 AM(UTC)
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Now that is enough to get the authorities a bit pissssed. The Department of Consternation will be keeping a close eye on everyone.


Havent you spelt that wrong - I thought it was Department of Constipation after all they tend to be Pains in the Arse.

If you see someone where they should not be with a dredge the idea is to act very official - walk straight up to them and lay down the law, put the fear of god into them, threaten to confiscate their gear, read the riot act, order them to get the gear out of the water, quote fictitious acts, rules, regulations, laws, bylaws and clauses, phrases and sub clauses then with pen and paper in hand take numbers, details and a full description then when they scuttle off in total panic the chances are they will leave in such a hurry that you end up with the items they leave behind!

Of course before approaching them it does pay to assess the situation after all if theres only two of you and ten of them and they happen to be drinking, wearing Hells Angels patches and have a couple of Rottweillers then discretion is usually the better part of Valour and here the letters FOQ come to mind.!

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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 11:37:36 AM(UTC)
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If only these pricks would indulge themselves when others were around, instead of coming like thieves in the night, then there might be a more judicious outcome.
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 12:00:42 PM(UTC)
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Sew some old doc logos onto a green jersey and keep it handy, works with shellfish gatherers taking more than the bag limit, talk like you know the law and look like you just came out of the bush.
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 12:02:53 PM(UTC)
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The Aussies banned dredges in their rivers years ago for the same reasons. The damage they were doing was quite extreme.

I think it is time to clean up reputations and that may be -- dobbing people in. Photos speak volumes. Thing is, the last meeting I went to at the Marlborough Rock and Mineral Club, one of the members was saying that DOC is looking at slaying a lot of their workers so there will probably be less of the worker bees around to police the areas.

The few of us that do go out from here I would like to think we are cleaning up after ourselves and are respecting people's property. Same for thos who detect. One of the worst things you can do on public land and even on beaches, is not filling in your holes or taking such a big plug out, everyone can see where you have been, especially when that patch of grass dies.

Shall we put together some group aims, ethics etc? Sounds like a club I know but might look like we are trying to be responsible citizens
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 2:36:22 PM(UTC)
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hi kiwisouth
been a dredge operator and owning my own claim i think you need to visit my site to see for yourself what damage i do
perhaps you would be kind enough to point out where i could be protecting the enviroment bettter

on the other hand you could come up to the claim and try to find where i do my work after the rain at the moment i think you will not be able to see a thing nature has a way of turning things back to natural
i suck out of the river through a box and it puts it back into a river bit like a sluice box you dig out of the river put through a box and it goes back into the river

i do agree with the fact that dredgers sould not be in public areas and should have a claim i say pot them take their rego etc and pass it onto doc also take photos of what they are doing doc will act
make it ovious what you are doing then run like hell
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 3:18:21 PM(UTC)
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No not having a go at you Keith, it's those fly by nighters that sneak in and sneak out. There was one who did a bit of damage at the Ariki Falls on the Buller a few years ago and it took a decent flood to clean the area up again. Water was discoloured past the Swing Bridge for a while.

The guy had a big bugggar of a dredge but was able to break it down and carry the parts up the bank, about a 40 foot drop. Big boy though. He used to travel around the area, slept in his wagon. He made himself very unpopular.

I have always dreamed of having a dredge but I don't have the money for a claim. Perhaps Lotto. Funny eh? Want to win millions on Loot so that I can buy a gold claim and dig out a few ounces. The fun is in the searching though. My work mates laugh at me for going on this site while at work but when I show them what I have found with my detector they may change their tune.

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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 4:09:29 PM(UTC)
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hi kiwisouth i know you are not at me
i think i know who that guy was did he use a winch on his truck to lower the gear over the bank?

that bit of the river is claimed by a mike something he has a jet boat which he anchors up puts the pipe over the outlet to the jet and in turn operates a 8" suction ive seen the set up it looks great
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 4:17:25 PM(UTC)
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as far as i can workout there is no public area in the howard river its up at new creek and lewis ive panned there but didnt do well
talked to a friend and he told me the best place is where the new creek turns west and down stream from there is good colour
but that is outside of the area set aside
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 5:00:48 PM(UTC)
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Hi kiwikeith.

It is Louis creek that i am referring to. I have just always referred to it as the Howard, should be a little more precise I suppose.
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 5:17:19 PM(UTC)
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thats ok i cant spell any how
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 8:15:17 PM(UTC)
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The department of constipation did prosecute someone for dredging New Creek recently I believe.

You will find there have been many dredges up there. The idiots with sluice boxes do more damage undermining trees and boring into the banks.

Given that there is really little of unique value in the landscape there, they might as well just set it aside for open cast mining by pick and shovel and let people have at it. That way it might help confine the activities to a reasonable and obscure area rather than all over the country side.

After the current dose of weather access may not be so good up there at the moment.

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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 8:38:59 PM(UTC)
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There is a permit on the lower reaches of the Louis Creek between the public fossicking area and wet ford before the road climbs through the pines.
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Posted : Wednesday, 14 December 2011 8:54:32 PM(UTC)
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The permit used to be held by a bloke who lived there and whose name I can't recall. He either relinquished or transferred the claim, presumably to the Rotoiti District Community Council, who are the present holders, so the public could now fossick upstream from the ford to the lower limit of the public area.
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