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Posted : Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:18:54 PM(UTC)
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Does anyone know somewhere online that sells detector batteries. i have been using the standard 9v but have been told that these are only actually 8.4v. so i'm now after some that are 9.6v. i have seen some on trade me that were rated at 230 mAh. i've noticed these also in a 280 mAh rating. will all of these work in a detector or would 280 mAh be too much?
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Posted : Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:22:52 PM(UTC)
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post a photo of your battery, not sure what type you need, i know somewhere that supplies some types but need a visual
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Posted : Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:29:06 PM(UTC)
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starfish - its just a standard off the shelf square 9v type shape like in the smoke alarms. but the 9.6v version.
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Posted : Friday, 22 July 2011 12:31:24 AM(UTC)
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something like this battery??

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JW :)



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Posted : Friday, 22 July 2011 11:25:49 AM(UTC)
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yep thats it. i'm using ones that look similar. they're energizer 9v rechargeables but their rating is actually 8.4v / 175mAh if you read the small print on the battery.

if i can get some that are 9.6v i think it will run better in my gold bug 2.

there seems to be several offerings. i have seen up to 280 mAh rated ones for sale. is there some limit at the high end in what i can chuck in the detector?

i don't want to fry any circuitry or anything.
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Posted : Friday, 22 July 2011 12:14:31 PM(UTC)
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Hi Simon, I am not sure mate. These seem to work fine for me though. I run these in my Garrett Treasure Ace 300, Bounty Hunter Tracker 1V which both take 2 of them & my older Garrett Master Hunter which takes 6 batteries. My Whites GMT takes 8 AA batteries & these are also recargables & it seems to go all right with these. Finds me gold any way. It has its own rechargable battery pack as well.

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I know the rechargables are a slight under the 9volts but weather it has an affect on depth or sensitivity, I dont know. The money saving on rechargables, even though they are pricey to start with, pays off in the long run.

Happy hunting

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Posted : Friday, 22 July 2011 12:21:32 PM(UTC)
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for rechargeable batterys i would look at deal extreme.com free.with free worldwide shipping you cant go wrong
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Posted : Friday, 22 July 2011 1:14:58 PM(UTC)
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My Fisher manual says:

"The detector requires a single 9-volt ALKALINE battery. Do not use ordinary zinc carbon batteries. Do not use "Heavy Duty" batteries. Rechargable batteries can also be used"

I wasn't sure if they were worried about too much voltage or too little. I use cheap Dick Smith rechargeables which go 5 or 6 hours. A regular battery lasts at least twice as long.

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Posted : Friday, 22 July 2011 2:54:32 PM(UTC)
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hey there kiwijw~
The picture of your garrett looks silimar to my Garrett freedom ace plus.Do you know anything about this model?
I havent taken it out to gold bearing ground as i think the frequency will be running too low?
Anyway it takes 3 ,9 volt batteries and they seem to last a while.
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Posted : Friday, 22 July 2011 5:50:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: simon Go to Quoted Post
Does anyone know somewhere online that sells detector batteries. i have been using the standard 9v but have been told that these are only actually 8.4v.


A standard zinc-carbon battery cell puts out a maximum 1.5v
A NiCad (nickel cadmium) cell puts out max 1.2v

Hence a "9v" zinc-carbon battery will have 6 cells inside in series and out out 9v when new. (6 x 1.5 = 9)
A "9v" NiCad battery with 6 cells inside in series would only put out 7.2v when fully charged (6 x 1.2 = 7.2) which is not enough to be able to be used to replace a zinc-carbon 9v battery.

If they add another cell in series in a "9v" NiCad, they then get 8.4 volts (7 x 1.2). That's getting a lot closer. Yet another cell gets you 9.6 volts (8 x 1.2)

The trouble here is, although you're now up on voltage, they've had to pack those extra cells into the same space, so the cells themselves are smaller, which means the maximum current drain available will be less. So if your equipment will work happily at 8.4volts, you're actually better off using a NiCad battery rated at that, because in the end it will last longer in the equipment than a 9.6 v NiCad with less mAh rating.


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so i'm now after some that are 9.6v. i have seen some on trade me that were rated at 230 mAh. i've noticed these also in a 280 mAh rating. will all of these work in a detector or would 280 mAh be too much?


Going up in mAh does not affect the equipment. If your equipment puts a drain of 100mA on it's battery, then a battery rated at 230mAh will last about 2.3 hours, and one rated a 280mAh will last 2.8 hours.

If the drain is only half that (50mA) then the 230mAh will last 4.6 hours and the 280mAh will last 5.6 hours.

Once you know the drain current of your equipment, you can then do some calculations to see if buying the higher rated batteries is actually worthwhile. The rating on the batteries could also be complete BS. especially if they're from China.

Also be aware that in order to fit more cell in there (to get the mAh up) they may have skimped on package thickness so the higher rated battery may be more prone to leaking if left too long in the equipment.

My wife came back from Florida once and had bought some AA batteries in a market, telling me they were much cheaper. I looked at them, and noticed that although they were the same colour as Duracell's, the brandname on them was "Durasell" or something, and from the weight of them I could tell they were nearly empty inside. They lasted about 1 minute in a toy. SO not that much of a bargain.

Mustn't complain though because she also came back with my Garrett GT2500. :)

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Posted : Friday, 22 July 2011 6:58:18 PM(UTC)
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Oroplata,

You sound like you know what you are talking about. Any idea why Fisher would say not to use 'zinc carbon' or 'heavy duty' batteries?
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Posted : Saturday, 23 July 2011 8:11:34 AM(UTC)
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Probably because the current drain of the equipment is high enough that those batteries wouldn't last long enough.

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Posted : Sunday, 30 October 2011 4:09:05 PM(UTC)
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Hi, I recently was looking at buying a Fisher f4 and was concerned about battery cost and I found this
http://metaldetectingfor...m/showthread.php?t=83490

I found some Imedion 9.6v batteries on ebay also, from memory they cost about US$18 (each) including shipping.

Hope this helps.

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Posted : Tuesday, 1 November 2011 11:51:24 AM(UTC)
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Hi Simon

I brought a couple of these 9.6v batteries they work fine in fisher detectors
http://ecobatteries.co.nz/mahaImedion9v.html

I also brought the 4 bay charger from this guy because it is a fast charger designed to work with the batteries I brought and it comes with a car adapter meaning that I could recharge the batteries travelling from one place to another.
http://ecobatteries.co.nz/mahac490f.html

And then I decided I wanted some extra batteries that if i got stuck somewhere for a while would give me a bit more power. I went for these because while they are 8.4v they provide 400mha of current so last a bit longer than less rater rechargeables, Oh and they cheap however shipping took 3weeks.
http://www.ebay.com.au/i...5646669d53#ht_1768wt_952

I honestly cant tell and significant performance over various 9v batteries ive used however the rechargeables dont last as long due to reduced current ratings. Despite this I am very happy with my choices and I have an armada of seemingly unlimited power supply.


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Posted : Tuesday, 1 November 2011 1:13:41 PM(UTC)
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My Garrett GT2500 runs on 8 1.5v AA batteries. I took apart the removable battery pack and they're all in series and there's no centre tap so that confirms it only requires 12v (rather than possibly needing +/- 6 volts). It'll run through a set of alkalines in 3 days of hard searching, so definitely worthwhile looking for an alternative battery to mount in it, maybe a 12v rechargeable lithium if I can fund something suitable at a garage sale. :)

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Posted : Saturday, 19 November 2011 6:14:30 PM(UTC)
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Hi Oroplata

You can get rc helicopter 11.1v lithium rechargeable that are extremely snotty & cheap
But then you also need a balance charger and somewhere safe to store as if the lithium is exposed to air you have your own mini furnace/fire works display in a matter of seconds, this also happens if overcharged hence the balance charger.

I realize 11.1v is a little on the low side but with Lipo I really don't think that would matter.


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Posted : Saturday, 19 November 2011 7:20:10 PM(UTC)
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Good thinking Batman.

I've got a broken RC helicopter coming in the container so I shall check out the battery specs when it arrives. Detecting more important than flying toy helicopters. :)

What I need now is to find someone with a trashed Garrett detector with the same removal battery unit so I can mod that one for lithium.

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Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 8:37:56 PM(UTC)
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i tried standard 9v rechargeable in my bounty hunter pioneer 505 and they didnt last long but found these on ebay so might give these a try.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...rksid=p3984.m1438.l2649.