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i was looking at securing a small area somewhere in my region for gold mining. looking at the permit map with all permits visible at first glance it looks like there is little ground left if it is a watercourse you are after.
a few things confuse me, which lead to my following questions:

1. 1 and 2 man bands seem to focus on river courses. if you were to apply for just a block of land in general, is this going to be any harder to get a permit for as opposed to applying for a permit on a watercourse? i'm thinking along the lines of more land disturbance.

2. does is cost more/same/less to get an exploration permit, as opposed to jumping straight in to get a mining permit?

3. if you are some bugger with deep pockets and have an exploration permit over half the countryside, does this mean no one else can apply for a small area within the same space for a mining permit?

4. what is involved in supplying a detailed map for application for a permit? do i need a surveyor or can i make use of online mapping software?

5. i know it depends on the type of terrain etc but what would be the minimum size of ground worth applying for? i understand you pay an amount each year based on ground held?

6. i have noticed that there are loads of permits pending. what is the deal. i understand there was to be some sort of review of the system for permits. when are these permits that have been applied for going to be either granted or denied? i noticed ages ago on a trade me sale of a claim someone commented that the current permits are worthless and the whole system is being reviewed and the current ones would be cancelled (which i'm doubting?).

sorry lots of questions. hopefully some of you gold ingots out there have some answers. cheers.

hi simon
well are in for a surprise
q1 and q2 have been delt with
q3 you can seek permision of a permit holder to cut a hole in their, but claim they dont have to. when i went for my claim this is what i did (got a hole cut)
q4 you can use on line maps you do no need a reg surveyor i used a consultant to do all my paper work with crown min cost me $1000 but it was well worth it
q5there is no min size to a claim. yes you pay a min of $500 + gst each year but this will increase with the size of ground claimed
q6 not to sure what is happening here but i dout if it will change for a couple of years

now that you have finished getting your permit try paying for
1 regional council resource consent
2dealing with the local iwi
3 also local council
4 land owners eg doc boy do they put out their hand you think crown min is expensive deal with these morons
fees for easement accross their land
mining rights fees
bonds (min $1000)
blue duck surveys (my mate is paying out for 2 people $400 each)

maybe this is why claims are so expensive when you see them on trademe
dont get put of its still cheaper than getting caught $20000 plus loss of gear, car, and iny other means used to get the yellow stones
cheers kiwikeith

Hi Simon,
The Mining permit is easy enough to get if you know someone who has one, just use their application as a template.
Now however be very careful with the resource consent,
I suggest you check this out before the mining permit?.
Things like: - Access to your claim? is there a public or what's called a 'paper road' to your claim or do you cross someone's land? DOC etc.
- Who is living nearby to your claim?, you may have to ask these people to sign a CI711 form which is a (written approval of person(s) likely to be adversely affected) form.
- If your claim is in a creek or river how big these are will define the size of dredge you use, nelson, Marlborough area you can only dirty 33% of waterways... so the bigger the waterway the better...also water should be clean 50 metres below dredge. I actually made a sign up that said testing for resource consent, stuck it on the river bank and done some tests more importantly got some gold to pay for the resource consent!.
- I have noticed some squeals on this site about people who don't seem to use their gold claims, this may not be by choice. DOC and fish & game seem to think it's a great idea to stop all dredging between 1 may and 30 September so fish can spawn etc.....so one good flood between these dates....just goes to show how brainless these people can be!!!!.
- Resource Consents costs nelson, Marlborough area: Non-Notified Resource Consents = $600, Notified Resource Consents = $3375.......
- One other point of note for a standard 10 year mining permit: 10 years - 5 months/year for fish spawn = 5.83 years, now with weather, river levels, work and other unforeseen things that stop you going out for a gold hunt, 5.83 years / 4 = 1.46 years / 10 years = 0.146 x 12 months = (1.75 months / year {52 days} actually dredging), I think this would be on the high side.
- Be aware rules and regulations change between district councils so check them out, also go to your local council be a bit cheeky and ask if you can see someone else's (application for resource consent) for dredging or mining.

Good luck.
Digger

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What a load of bollocks it all is...i mean really when your paying all these anuall fee,s for reasorse consent whats it all for ..??? does your money actually pay for anything or fix anything you have done by crossing the land...i think it is simpley money they feel they can charge because they can and thats it ....and i bet the cost is only going to go 1 way!!! up....would,nt it be much better to have all the consents,permit,s under the same regime...getting reasorse consent is simply messy and really i dont think a miner no,s at all were he stands when it come,s to getting it or have a clue about how much it will cost....
gbm.

Anyone would think they don't want to pull any gold out of the ground!

Might be easier to do a deal with someone who's already got all the permits but hasn't got enough time to put the work into their own claim.

I'm in talks with an Australian miner at present, doing a deal where they let me detect on their patch. I keep whatever I find but have to document exactly where I dug it up from. For them, it's a cheap way of pinpointing good spots to do core drills. For me, it's a fun holiday.

this google tool for mapping area is very useful...takes a bit of fiddling with to get used to it
http://www.daftlogic.com...area-calculator-tool.htm

hi stalker i couldnt agree more its just grab your money and do nothing
the up side if there is one is if im working my claim and one can come up behind and say ill have your dredge and car and heres a $20000 fine
its all peace of mind
cost of claim approx all up $15000
cost of dredge $11000 (its big ask john)
cost of truck $7000

cost of finens $0 priceless

Nothing in between, unlike Australia, unfortunately.

We need to write a sternly worded letter to someone.

Judging by all the talk I've seen here and on other forums about people wanting to buy dredges there must be quite a few people with claims, which is suprising. I doubt many would be bold enough to use a dredge without a permit, it would be a pretty huge gamble.

@ oroplata - why is it Australia are nearly always ahead of us and a lot more logical than our government?? We usually follow suit eventually, several years down the track... Glass Earth etc probably will have got most of the gold by then though.