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It is exactly the same thing, no glasses required. Provide FORD an authentic FORD Vin number and they are going to tell you it appears to be a authentic FORD. What else can they determine or say from afar? Is FORD bad for telling the truth, "yes, that is an authentic FORD vin number"?

It is exactly the same thing, no glasses required, someone steels and the victim of that theft does not want to hold the thieves responsible, they want to hold someone else responsible. No one is ever going to believe he can not find those he thinks are his friends, those responsible. No one is ever going to believe someone you have never purchased anything from is going to make good on a purchase choice you made from a different maker. No one is ever going to believe someone who doesn't want to hold the thieves responsible (admitting they consider the thieves their friend) isn't involved with the thieves in some kind of scam, or paid by a competing brand to make the other brand look bad or less desirable.

At any rate adults make choices and accept the consequences. If a person wants others to be responsible for the choices that they themselves make, then they are not truly an adult and should have their mommy and daddy make all their choices and decisions for them. No adults (besides mommy and daddy) are not going to accept the consequences of someone else's choices.

If I choose to purchase something from a "fly by night" unrepeatable person, if I do not like what I paid or what I got, I would not wine and cry about it in public like a child does. I would acknowledge to myself I made a mistake, learn from my error, and move forward not expecting some third party to bail me out of the situation I created.

Counterfeiting is bad for everyone, especially the used market. Everyone who buys a counterfeit is going to quickly realize it doesn't work and dump it, sell it used, to try and recover some or all of their mistake. Best bet, all brands all product, is to purchase from a reputable Authorized Dealer. Smart people, buying used, do not buy it if it doesn't work. If they do choose to buy a used (not working) anything, they do not expect a third party to fix their mistake for them.

Adults must assures for themselves they are getting what they are paying for.

There are currently at least seven China factories involved in counterfeiting all brands of metal detectors, China government encourages it, here is another one;

http://www.dhgate.com/pr...ne/190224425.html#s1-1-1|1671057060

Even if they could be stopped, their are literally a million other Chinese ready and waiting to take their place. They perceive counterfeiting as a compliment to the authentic maker "I want to be just like you"!

It is alarming how they have learned how to steel authentic serial numbers. However, same factories have counterfeited an entire BMW car in under 30 days start to finished product, steeling serial numbers is child's play.

Thanks for the info jimmy. Sounds like we are all !@#t...Im going detecting!
Peace:)

Could it be that China are copying everything as per western corporations instructions or are we all to believe that same old bushite. that China is bad & everything they make is shite - If this is really the case then why do our companies shut shop locally and get the Chinese to make the stuff?

Simply profit - $$ for their shareholders - therefore if they are into saving the odd buck by getting their stuff made in china, then you may as well same some dollars too & buy directly from China yourself -

This rubbish that its China on their own copying everything is just too funny

How much would you like to donate to me Jimmy?

I will take that bet on with you anyday - How many Chinese metal detectors have you owned or tested to come up with that statement? - YOU do realise western corporations use China for manufacturing these days eh???

There seems to be a lot of confusion between "Chinese Made" and "Counterfeit".

Very few Chinese products are counterfeit for example the Great Wall SUV I own has a replica of an Isuzu (Holden) chassis and running gear and a identical engine to a Mitsubishi Outlander that my mum drives. But GW is licensed to make these and put them into their own brand of vehicle and no counterfeiting is involved - they have permission from the original manufacturers and have purchased the plans thus are not counterfeit. These parts are also just as good a quality as the manufacturers that hold the copyrights.

But because of the share size of the manufacturing industry in China (nearly 1/4 of the worlds population) and the fact that they haven't signed up to international copyright rules most counterfeits nowadays come from that country. Only a small percentage of manufactures there counterfeit but the manufacturing industry is so large it seems to us that we are flooded with them.

The danger with counterfeits is that the product you end up with would have short cuts made to their manufacturing and quality would not be up to the standard of the legit product. Also they are only copied and not designed thus for detectors chances are things like tuning and software will only be roughly done. The companies involved with counterfeiting are only interested in selling bulk and unlike the legit manufacturers the counterfeiters are not interested in return custom so don't care if their products don't perform to standard.

So "Chinese Made" does not mean counterfeit and a lot of their products are to a very high standard but if it is counterfeit then all bets are off that product you have brought will work properly . In 10 years time I can see the same sort of counterfeit detectors come from India who are also fast tracking their manufacturing industry. 25 years ago it was Japan that produced dodgy goods ("Jap Crap") and 100 years ago it was actually the USA!

.Not having a go at you Shilo as I respect what it is you post -

First Texas will tell you a very similar story to this paragraph you posted Shilo

"The danger with counterfeits is that the product you end up with would have short cuts made to their manufacturing and quality would not be up to the standard of the legit product. Also they are only copied and not designed thus for detectors chances are things like tuning and software will only be roughly done. The companies involved with counterfeiting are only interested in selling bulk and unlike the legit manufacturers the counterfeiters are not interested in return custom so don't care if their products don't perform to standard."

Now this then leads me ask this - If First Texas believe the Chinese manufacturing of these units comprimises quality, then why do they get their products made by the Chinese then?

They say that its only a couple of their lowly rated introductory Bounty Hunter units they get made over there - That in itself was quite a revelation as it took a bit to find that out - You may also be suprised that those units FT get China to make are their biggest sellers. Again, who in their right mind would get their best selling gear made by some shitty workshop in China? Unless of course they are made to the specifications requested & more importantly, made by cheap Chinese labour.

At least Minelab were straight up with their customers when they opened their Malaysia manufacturing plant - First Texas on the other hand seem to keep their customers in the dark regarding where their stuff is made. Personally I believe that if someone like First Texas have the confidence to buy in thousands of units per year from China & resell them for profit, what harm are you actually doing by purchasing a re-branded one from the same place for your own use?

I am so sure they will make your one, so shitty & make First Texas's best sellers spot on lol

I honestly think this whole counterfeit issue needs to be looked at for what it is instead of these companies who turn their back on their own people for profit, then cry to the same people because the foreign business they went into business with has obtained ALL that technical advancement without leaving their office -

Yet many still think its a chinaman flying to the big apple - goes into Walmart & buys nice shiny thing - Flies back to China & gets uncle Lee to make 10,000 of them a day = Big Bad Chinaman PMSL

& NOT

Western Corprations prefer manufacturing in Asia

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