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G-old  
Posted : Sunday, 9 February 2014 4:19:38 PM(UTC)
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It seams if you ask you fellow gold hunters the cans and the cant's of what your allowed to do, in regards to panning , sluicing , dredging ect, you get the laws that suit there own needs and not facts , because they believe that if they get found on a claim , or in a non prospecting area that you can just play dumb and say that they had no idea that they have no right to be there , if fish n game or doc or the claim owners find them.

Now i no that there are plenty of folks on there that own a claim , or have built a relationship with claim owners , by either hunting them down and asking or by a chance encounter and by having knowledge of what they can do .....


Ive been lucky enuf to find a claim owner who , despite having poachers regularly trying to hide there activity, lets me and a few mates go do our thing as long as we call and ask and tell him the dates and we leave it as we found it taking our rubbish ect with us , and a box of tui for the man of course, we find enuf colour to keep interested and enjoy the time we have .


But there are some - that think if we hide n play dumb we will be ok .

As i have seen over the long weekend this is not true and it ment for a couple of guys that there dredges are most likely going to end up in a police auction.
As they had been warned by the claim owner 3 times in the last couple of months to leave and not return but instead they just pick better spots to hide.
well they had no place to hide when 4 cops turned up an gave them there rights as well as fines for no reg n wof, from what i understand they can take cars, trailers ,wetsuits gold gear ect as they are all part of the crime , kind of the same as what happens if you get caught poaching paua or crayfish ect.

So maybe to help out the folks that do not know, Paydirt should have the laws in a simple to read form in its own section at the top beside Forms-Permit Maps-Locations-Equipment ect just so people know how it is.

now im not saying that everyone is like these two, but given the fact that it happens so much we should all know what we can do to be able to enjoy our hobby , as we all get tar-ed with the same brush ,so to speak and it makes it hard for us to be taken seriously by claim holders if they just dont no if your genuine as some will just say No! to all because of pirates.

Remember Knowledge is everything so the more ya no the better off we will be.

Any thoughts ?????

i think the claim owner did the right thing ,as some members are silly if they think threats of violence is the way to fix this,
some folks just dont no
gavin  
Posted : Sunday, 9 February 2014 7:41:23 PM(UTC)
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@G-old - I can stick a page up no problem. Can you provide the wording and detail for it with references to the relevant laws? I'm not 100% clear on the law myself, only what I've heard second hand so would prefer to quote from a reputable source.
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Posted : Sunday, 9 February 2014 9:23:34 PM(UTC)
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Excellent idea there G-old.

Gavin we really need this- clarification on Queens chain and so on.

The number of people I speak to who think that its ok to work somebodys claim WITHOUT PERMISSION as long as you don't use motorised gear is staggering-if you don't have permission stay away-jesus I feel guilty just crossing a claim to get somewhere else...

Edited by user Sunday, 9 February 2014 9:28:50 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

gavin  
Posted : Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:51:08 PM(UTC)
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No worries - sounds like a good idea to me too. Someone put me together the content who knows what they're talking about and I'll put it up. Ideally I'd like to see some official sources referenced to back up statements so I can feel confident putting it up as a public source of info.
G-old  
Posted : Sunday, 9 February 2014 11:53:12 PM(UTC)
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have sent it to ya gavin let me no if it works
simon  
Posted : Monday, 10 February 2014 8:26:54 AM(UTC)
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must be a very nice claim owner to give so much leniency to the same people 3 times.

i laughed when you said the police got them for no reg and wof! if you ever need the police to turn up just mention lack of wof or reg. i had some buggers parking over a driveway downtown. would do it right in front of me and pretend not to notice the huge sign i erected. finally had enough and told council who found the excuse the new concrete wasn't 'official driveway' formation. when discovered the shits had wof and reg expired over a year before that soon stopped the parking there alright.

one thing i'd like to point out if all the rules get listed - will sure be a big job, is the public fossicking areas where you ARE allowed, aren't actually advertised as such. DOC signs only mentions DOC activities. well, down this way anyway. i'm guessing it's to keep the numbers down and to avoid advertising it all over the internet thus drawing in hoards of international tourists.
gavin  
Posted : Monday, 10 February 2014 8:52:45 AM(UTC)
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Here's the links G-old sent through to me:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1991/0070/latest/DLM246306.html

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1991/0070/latest/DLM246310.html

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1991/0070/latest/DLM5227231.html

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1991/0070/latest/DLM5227233.html

May be a while before I get a chance to sit down and put it in to an easily digestible form for the site. If anyone's game feel free to pass on some ready-to-go content for me to put up on the site and it'll happen a lot quicker ;)
1864hatter  
Posted : Monday, 10 February 2014 4:07:51 PM(UTC)
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Quick summing up- The only areas that are allowed to be fossicked on by the public are those designated fossicking areas set out by the Crown. They own the rights to all precious metals in NZ. Only hand tools are allowed to be used in these areas.

Restrictions on activity allowed on claims by the claim holder vary from place to place.

That's as far as I'm clear.

Two things I'll go have a look at are

1. Are you as a claim holder actually allowed to verbally permit an individual to prospect on your claim. I suspect not....
2. Does a detector classify as a hand tool that is allowed to be used in a public fossicking area. Update, metal detectors are included in the hand held tools allowed to be used in the fossicking areas. I just read it in the crown minerals website so it's not hearsay.

Edited by user Monday, 10 February 2014 4:42:28 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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