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Far North Minining

creamer		Posted : Saturday, 29 June 2013 9:17:56 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 19/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,022 Location: Bay of Islands Thanks: 2289 times Was thanked: 525 time(s) in 391 post(s)		Permission has recently been granted to test 5 mining sights in the far north including Eastern Puketi Forest. Bar the fact i cant even drive a garden scoop into these areas its hard to believe that rights have been given. Then again not hard to believe is that our local mayor holds a position now in one of these test companies. .
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gogold		Posted : Saturday, 29 June 2013 10:13:23 AM(UTC)
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Saturday, 29 June 2013 12:03:08 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		It is the story of New Zealand and about high time that the ordinary people brought the trash who run the country and their ricgh businesmen arse licking friends to heel. These outfits are sponsored by noless than the International bankers and by bankrupting our country by loaning us money under Fractional reserve Banking they can call the tune when the debt cannot be repaid - I know there are people on this forum who disagree but every one of you who is self respecting can see for themselves that the country is 'going to pot' - an old expression that goes back a long way before 'going to pot' took on other more or less sinister meanings depending on whether you follow the scum who run and country who make it unlawful because they cant tax it or the 'freemen' who wont be dictated to by criminal politicians and their minions and indulge in a little pot planting - for their own use only I hope! PS I dont as I cant be bothered with something that does to me the opposite of what it did to Auntie Vicky for those who get the drift. (cured her headaches but would cause them with me.) Edited by user Saturday, 29 June 2013 12:29:17 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

creamer		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 9:31:22 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 19/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,022 Location: Bay of Islands Thanks: 2289 times Was thanked: 525 time(s) in 391 post(s)		You only have to look at the wonderful countryside here in the far north to realise what damage hard rock mining will do. It may bring some jobs but in the end all profits will go back overseas. Not worth recking the hills for i say. We would be better off focusing on our existing tourist trade. Would be good if they opened up some of these areas for public fossicking, now theres something positive. All i see here is corrupt polititions greasing there own palms, again, discraceful. . Edited by user Wednesday, 3 July 2013 11:13:01 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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gingerbreadman		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 5:55:01 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 19/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 473 Location: south of the black stump Thanks: 34 times Was thanked: 96 time(s) in 74 post(s)		Originally Posted by: creamer You only have to look at the wonderful countryside here in the far north to realise what damage hard rock mining will do. It may bring some jobs but in the end all profits will go back overseas. Not worth recking the hills for i say. We would be better off focusing on our existing tourist trade. Would be good if they opened up some of these areas for public fossicking, now theres something positive. All i see here is corrupt polititions greasing there own palms, again, discraceful. . Dont forget about the tax,s the govt will get off of the jobs created!+royalties and who no,s maybe DOC will get some $$ as well like on the Denniston Plateau $22000000 and they are still whinging !!

gogold		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 6:49:36 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 5/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 217 Location: gore Thanks: 4 times Was thanked: 56 time(s) in 45 post(s)		Originally Posted by: creamer You only have to look at the wonderful countryside here in the far north to realise what damage hard rock mining will do. It may bring some jobs but in the end all profits will go back overseas. Not worth recking the hills for i say. We would be better off focusing on our existing tourist trade. Would be good if they opened up some of these areas for public fossicking, now theres something positive. All i see here is corrupt polititions greasing there own palms, again, discraceful. . fk off with the public fossicking bleat a few of you guys thrash it a bit. the mining will bruing money to the area workers spending $$$ in town and local business/contractors may pick up a bit of work, sure royalties are low bat as gbm said workers etc get taxed that still goes back into the country, leave them alone and let them get in and get the job done, someones gotta try make some money from it but theres plenty of jelous whinging cts like you out there that put a stop to it.

Lammerlaw		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 7:11:01 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: gogold Originally Posted by: creamer You only have to look at the wonderful countryside here in the far north to realise what damage hard rock mining will do. It may bring some jobs but in the end all profits will go back overseas. Not worth recking the hills for i say. We would be better off focusing on our existing tourist trade. Would be good if they opened up some of these areas for public fossicking, now theres something positive. All i see here is corrupt polititions greasing there own palms, again, discraceful. . fk off with the public fossicking bleat a few of you guys thrash it a bit. the mining will bruing money to the area workers spending $$$ in town and local business/contractors may pick up a bit of work, sure royalties are low bat as gbm said workers etc get taxed that still goes back into the country, leave them alone and let them get in and get the job done, someones gotta try make some money from it but theres plenty of jelous whinging cts like you out there that put a stop to it. I have never heard such shallow thinking in all my life - Have you any ideas 'who' actually takes possession of Macraes gold? What does New Zealand get out of it - Wages, taxes on wages, GST, some contracts, an income for suppliers and even a little carrot for the local community. What does New Zealand lose - ten times as much in the form of ITS OWN MINERAL RESOURCE - the gold which belongs to US the people of New Zealand and who are sold down the drain by the corruption in big business, politics and finance. If things were run properly then ALL of New Zealand would benefit and not only the ones I have listed above. In the end YOU will be the one whose bleating. If you cannot disagree with the person whose comment you replied to without insulting him then FUCK off...apparently those are words you equate to. Edited by user Wednesday, 3 July 2013 7:13:12 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

latch		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 7:49:33 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 16/02/2013(UTC) Posts: 192 Location: dunedin Thanks: 198 times Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 27 post(s)		not agreeing with gogold on that should be able to fossick just like you can hunt and fish,wrecking the scenery for $ not the kiwi way
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gogold		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 8:02:33 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 5/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 217 Location: gore Thanks: 4 times Was thanked: 56 time(s) in 45 post(s)		lammerlaw, yea I understand what youre saying but unfortunately this is not a eutopia, this is the way our crap government is running and the way its going itll only get worse just gotta get over it and move on. even if the money did go back into nz our government would find some sensless thing to blow it all on anyway and the maoris will be sticking their hands out again, the politicians will give themselves a payrise and th rest of the money will go into a white elephant project. its all good and well to sit there and say how it should be run but that's not reality. reality is nzers cant front up with the large $$$$ to battle the bueracratic bullshite to even get a mining project started. NZ government rules have ruined the nz miners and latch go try hunt/fish where ever you want to, you cant you've got to go where youre told youre allowed same with fossicking. do you or youre missus have any gold/ jewellery? do you think its alright for that gold to have come from a mine somewhere overseas that's destroyed their scenery? ruined their land? If its good enough to do it to someone overseas its good enough to do here. o yea and north islanders generally don't give a s*t about what happens down here so I really don't care what happens up there :) Edited by user Wednesday, 3 July 2013 8:25:19 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified*

latch		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 8:34:20 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 16/02/2013(UTC) Posts: 192 Location: dunedin Thanks: 198 times Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 27 post(s)		have places to hunt and fish and fossick because i don't give up and accept defeat,buy jewellery of fossickers like max,all places like macraes does is give people enogh money to go live in oz and take there money with them as i have seen it happen with everyone i no that has worked there,i think you are entitled to have an opinion i just don't agree
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 9:22:53 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: gogold lammerlaw, yea I understand what youre saying but unfortunately this is not a eutopia, this is the way our crap government is running and the way its going itll only get worse just gotta get over it and move on. even if the money did go back into nz our government would find some sensless thing to blow it all on anyway and the maoris will be sticking their hands out again, the politicians will give themselves a payrise and th rest of the money will go into a white elephant project. its all good and well to sit there and say how it should be run but that's not reality. reality is nzers cant front up with the large $$$$ to battle the bueracratic bullshite to even get a mining project started. NZ government rules have ruined the nz miners and latch go try hunt/fish where ever you want to, you cant you've got to go where youre told youre allowed same with fossicking. do you or youre missus have any gold/ jewellery? do you think its alright for that gold to have come from a mine somewhere overseas that's destroyed their scenery? ruined their land? If its good enough to do it to someone overseas its good enough to do here. o yea and north islanders generally don't give a s*t about what happens down here so I really don't care what happens up there :) New Zealand government have ruined New Zealand full stop because they do not serve those who voted them into place but they do serve the overseas bankers and in particular the Federal Reserve as a result of accepting money to create a welfare state under a criminal borrowing system that can never be repaid...do some research on the implications of fractional reserve banking. Unless you actually know the 'Maori' situation dont say a thing. Indeed the Maoris might be the only group who eventually have the power to prevent some of this happening. I will not elaborate but unless I wake up dead within 14 hours I will be sitting at a meeting to discuss the very problems this country is facing in relationship to environmental matters and the power of the well to do farmers, the manner in which the Government agencies bow and scrape to those wealthy land owners and the manner in which these people get what they want...at your expense.. From what you say I can only imagine that you are a young guy who actually has no idea of just how many rights you have forfeited in the last forty years - forty years and further back you could walk where you wanted, hunt and shoot where you wanted, fished where you wanted and looked for gold with just a 'Miners Right' i n all state land - look at what you have now - nothing. Edited by user Wednesday, 3 July 2013 9:55:12 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified*

gjj109		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 11:10:57 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 14/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 464 Location: Thames Thanks: 217 times Was thanked: 194 time(s) in 115 post(s)		Just a couple of points. Doc administer/control about 30% of New Zealand's land area or about 8 million hectares. For the small effort of obtaining a free hunting permit online, I can hunt in 30% of this country. That's enough freedom for me. For free, I can fish most of the marine areas and for $2 a week, most of the freshwater streams and lakes. When there is no public access, I have never been denied access to fish. That's quite a bit of freedom. I have fossicked widely in both the north and south island. This is also free. I have yet to meet anybody who objects to the use of a shovel and pan. I respect the right of the landowner to determine who comes onto the property they own. Why should rural land be different from urban land. There is always that public 30% to wander over. What is the difference between a quarry and a mine? Not a lot that I can see. How is gold any different from any other commodity?

Lammerlaw		Posted : Wednesday, 3 July 2013 11:31:40 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: gjj109 Just a couple of points. Doc administer/control about 30% of New Zealand's land area or about 8 million hectares. For the small effort of obtaining a free hunting permit online, I can hunt in 30% of this country. That's enough freedom for me. For free, I can fish most of the marine areas and for $2 a week, most of the freshwater streams and lakes. When there is no public access, I have never been denied access to fish. That's quite a bit of freedom. I have fossicked widely in both the north and south island. This is also free. I have yet to meet anybody who objects to the use of a shovel and pan. I respect the right of the landowner to determine who comes onto the property they own. Why should rural land be different from urban land. There is always that public 30% to wander over. What is the difference between a quarry and a mine? Not a lot that I can see. How is gold any different from any other commodity? Not as simple as that - DOCs permit system is a deadly one - yes you can indeed hunt on one permit within the entire conservancy for one year BUT so can everyone else! ALL ex State NZFS forestry is now out of bounds unless you are one of the lucky ones. Forty years ago ALL Forestry was divided into blocks and you could get a weekly permit from the NZFS - now the forests are privately owned and you can only go at the whim of the Forest owner. ALL State land you could hunt without a permit forty years ago - you did NOT need one - you just went hunting. Are you aware of that? Today you have to have a DOC permit AND the pressure is greater because the old ex NZFS Forestry blocks are often out of bounds. Fishing - take it from me - you do not have nearly a fraction of the rights you had forty years ago. Even the Maori people do not have those rights - in a cupboard beside me I have the permits that you need to take the native fish (Eel, flounder, cod, trumpeter, moki, mullet etc) as you could once have done by right. Also access is denied now on many rivers and streams which were open to all members of the public. Dont believe me? Go to Waimate in South Canterbury and see what the situation is re the Waihao river and whitebaiting or trout fishing. With the exception of one strip of river bank about 800m long you can NOT go anywhere along the length of the river from Bradshaws Bridge right to the ocean as of this year and the private sale of all the land along the river margins. Fossicking - once you could go virtually anywhere you wished but today LEGALLY you cannot - as simple as that. I hear what you say and good luck - just dont get caught! AND there is NOT that public 30% to wander over fossicking anymore either - as I said - Good luck and dont get caught. With a miners right forty years ago yes you could but there is no such thing as a miners right now! Edited by user Thursday, 4 July 2013 12:44:51 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

creamer		Posted : Thursday, 4 July 2013 10:03:35 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 19/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,022 Location: Bay of Islands Thanks: 2289 times Was thanked: 525 time(s) in 391 post(s)		Most of the testing sites are out of bounds to anyone and they are doc land and maori land with private land surrounding them. I have tried to get to these places through my contacts and even then its too hard. There are plenty of areas for general fossicking of rocks and stuff up here so thats ok. I would be a little cautious before bringing out a shovel and pan. I should be even more cautious about expressing my views on mining as this post was originally ment to be an exert from our local paper i read. Aside the fact that c..ts are useful i dont actually appose mining here as im sure it will happen anyway. I dont see how they will do it as the roads are had it up here for one. The far north is desperate for work and maybe mining is the answer. Hopefully the environmental impact will be minimal. .
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