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Posted : Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:02:16 PM(UTC)
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Any of you guys catch this article on stuff last week?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/w...d-rush-in-Pacific-waters
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Posted : Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:27:11 PM(UTC)
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it would be interesting to see who gets possesion of the gold if it is found it may still be classed as japanese property!
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Posted : Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:48:58 PM(UTC)
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Interesting - Makes one wonder why a large group of guys dont get themselves a ship - well armed - and go and have a look. I have no doubt that there might be an element of truth in it but if so I wonder why Mike Hatcher didnt go looking for it as he has been diving and salvaging in this part of the world for many many yeatrs, discovering U-boats full of treasure in the form of tin and also at least one, maybe two japanese Cargo vessels carrying tin.

I cannot see any reason why a Japanese vessel would be carrying gold unless it was going to Germany to pay for war materials but that would hardly seem likely - the U Boats were heading to Germany for much needed tin for the Germans...if they were going to attempt to get gold there then it would have been with submarines surely and probably German ones as they were very experienced global navigators One U Boat - U 862 sailed into Gisborne and then launched a torpedo at a merchant vessel just outside Napier. When Germany surrendered they sailed to a Japanese held port (Batavia I think) and I believe the Japanese took over the U Boat renaming her I-502 (I think)

Most guys here wont believe the above but a bit of research will show that I am correct.

Gold though is another story and it might be true or it might not - or simply another story generated for internet like yesterdays seemingly factual account of the death of the famous Western actor Robert Duval

http://robert.duvall.med...es/actor_new_zealand.php

This above account appears to be gospel truth - but it isnt - its just a pack of lies - hes alive and well right now in the good ole' US of A.

Is the gold story true or not - the truth remains to be seen.
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Posted : Tuesday, 28 May 2013 11:00:09 PM(UTC)
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yes it would be strange if the japanese were hauling a load of gold around they werent the sort to use gold to save their skins either they would have prefered suicide over groveling!mabee they thought they were winning and were starting another empire in the islands!
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Posted : Tuesday, 28 May 2013 11:03:50 PM(UTC)
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The Japanese looted the british banks and private vaults as they advanced so there is a possible source of the gold.
Solomon Islanders are well aware of the value of gold and there was a aussie group of divers - who nailed most of the non war-grave wrecks for scrap in the 70s and 80s they wernt shy at all from what I heard they would just blow the propellers off with explosives.
So chances are they would have already hit it if it was there.
50-60m is not much depth to a commercial dive crew.


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Posted : Tuesday, 28 May 2013 11:41:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pull Tab Go to Quoted Post
The Japanese looted the british banks and private vaults as they advanced so there is a possible source of the gold.
Solomon Islanders are well aware of the value of gold and there was a aussie group of divers - who nailed most of the non war-grave wrecks for scrap in the 70s and 80s they wernt shy at all from what I heard they would just blow the propellers off with explosives.
So chances are they would have already hit it if it was there.
50-60m is not much depth to a commercial dive crew.




Whether there would have been that much gold remains to be seen but they would have shipped it back as they got it - they would not have hoarded it until they got in excess of what is today a billion dollars worth surely? Even the Japanese knew the meaning of the old saying "Dont put all your eggs in one basket'

Mike Hatcher was the main diver to operate out of Australia even though he was English. It was he who first began commercial diving for the bronze propellers and even blew the bronze propeller off a vessel which had been sunk beside the wharf and had its deck concreted over to form a wharf - when the charge went off the deck collapsed and everything on it went into the drink or collapsed into the ship itself.
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Posted : Wednesday, 29 May 2013 7:18:45 AM(UTC)
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It dont belong to the japanese it belong to the philippines
they steal it from our tressurey some of those golds where sink in the sea and we recovered it after the war and some are hidden by the japanese general called yamashita and rummored to be hide in the mountains of the north philippines
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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 2:26:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Angelo_Huliganga Go to Quoted Post
It dont belong to the japanese it belong to the philippines
they steal it from our tressurey some of those golds where sink in the sea and we recovered it after the war and some are hidden by the japanese general called yamashita and rummored to be hide in the mountains of the north philippines


As far as I am concerned it belongs to whoever finds it and rest well assured that if I found it then it would be mine! Right now it doesnt belong to anyone because no one owns what has not been found except some may have more rights to it than others! It could be said that those from whom it was taken have the right to it and rightfully so but the person who finds it surely has a right to at least some form of compensation - the cost of looking, of finding, of recovering and a percentage over and above for taking the risk of going to seek it.

If I was a treasure hunter and I thought that I would get a fair deal then I would declare it but if I thought that the Philippines would try to take it without fair and due compensation then they wouldnt get a bean and no one would be the wiser.

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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 3:38:37 PM(UTC)
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what would you know angelo your only 14!
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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 5:05:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Angelo_Huliganga Go to Quoted Post
It dont belong to the japanese it belong to the philippines
they steal it from our tressurey some of those golds where sink in the sea and we recovered it after the war and some are hidden by the japanese general called yamashita and rummored to be hide in the mountains of the north philippines


He must be good at hiding if hes still hiding in the mountains - wouldnt Yamashita have run out of food by now and he must be over 90 by now...you dont really think that the rumour of him hiding in the mountains is true do you - do you want us to send some of Kiwikeith's opossums to lure him out.
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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 7:04:01 PM(UTC)
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mite need a fox wistle he sounds cunning!
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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 7:06:51 PM(UTC)
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Oh well its time to blow a few theorys out the door regarding Yamashita's lost gold. Many years ago I befriended an elderly Japanese gentleman
who lived alone in a small shack up a remote West Coast Valley. I had met him on a prospecting trip and over the years we became good friends.
Whenever I went up the valley I would take him provisions and check his well being. He was quite a loner, but a nice guy. His english was not that great, and my Japanese wasnt to great either. But I did learn enough to converse with him, and him enough english to converse with me.

He did a little prospecting and trusting me, he would on my occassional visits give me gold to sell for him. What was odd was that some was alluvial flakes but the other stuff was like gold shavings. I did at the time note that whenever I used his axe to cut him firewood, that it was always quite blunt and the cutting edge quite dented. So I gave him the nickname " Blunt Axe" he used to laugh when I called him that.

In his hut he had an old, steel sea chest, which was secured by a sturdy padlock. I only got to see it once. As he had buried it in the floor of hut.
On that occassion I had taken some Saki with me, as it was Xmas, my treat for " Blunt Axe" . Well actually I took him several bottles.
As the night wore on, well we both got a bit sozzled. Boy that Saki got a bite. It was then that " Blunt Axe" said, I show you something, " Big Nose" yep that was his nick for me. Blunt Axe and Big nose, on the grog together. He pulled up a few floorboards and scrapped some dirt aside, to reveal the sea chest. He opened it, with a key he wore around his neck. The first thing he showed me was a photo of he and his wife.
Yep it was a younger Blunt Axe but he was wearing wearing the uniform of the Japanese Imperial Navy. He had all sorts of memoribilia in there.
Even his Navy Hat. And it was a Japanese Submariners Hat. Now ole blunt axe had never told me how he got to NZ. I had asked him, but all he would ever say , was, " By Sea" By Sea. Anyway he begain to cry, and when I asked him what was upsetting him, and that took a while.
He told me that he and his wife had come from Hiroshima. And then I knew why he had chosen to stay in NZ. But how did he get here.

Well the Saki flowed and ole Blunt Axe finally fessed up, he kinda looked upon me as a son I guess. " I tell, you tell no-one. We shook the hand. I cracked another bottle of Saki and so his story began.

Towards the end of WW11 his Submarine C3 Design, Numer 1-52 along with 1-53 was sent on a secret mission to Mindanao Island in the Phillipines. On arrival the crew unloaded all the torpedo's. which were taken ashore and the warheads removed. A Japanese cargo ship was there, in the small harbour and the dismantled torpedos's were taken aboard by derrick. Another saki and Blunt Axe said " I Captain Number two, I trusted by Emperor, so I tell you more, but you no tell. Yep we shook hands again. And as always bowed at each other.
Turns out the hold of the Cargo Ship had been turned into a smelter complete with moulds and lathes. They were making golden warheads for the torpedo's. If we caught chirps Blunt Axe, they no know, we have secret torpedos. Some go to Germany on 1.52, the rest go on my ship. They much heavy so we store some at front and some at back and then we level. But not dive much, as hard to get back up.

Frig, I thought he's pulling my leg. To much Saki. You no believe Blunt Axe, he says, me show you, then. And pulls aside an oiled cloth with the Rising Sun on it. There at the bottom of his sea chest, is what remains of a secret warhead, solid gold. But damm me it looks like somebody has taken to it with an axe. Blunt Axe smiles, me like Chop Suey, but like chopping golden warhead even more.

Me now go to sleep. Next time you bring Saki, I tell you more.

To be continued.

Cheers Trev aka " The Hatter"
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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 7:20:52 PM(UTC)
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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 7:27:20 PM(UTC)
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Here is what happened to the other Japanese Submarine bound for Germany. Note the cargo. And quinnine is used to combat malaria, now where can one catch Malaria. Certainly not Germany. But yes in the Phillipines. And the Engineers, well easy to work out isn't it Oh golly the Sub had gold on it. Some of Yamashiters gold.
But Blunt Axe had the other half. And therein lays a tale of courage, intrigue and adventure.

Type C3 (I-52, I-53, I-55)
Main article: Type C3 submarine
Type C3 submarine I-55.

The Type C3 submarines (I-52 class) were submarines of the Imperial Japanese Navy, designed and built by Mitsubishi Corporation, between 1943 and 1944, as cargo carriers. They were quite long and carried a crew of up to 94 officers and men. They also had a long cruising range at a speed of 12 knots (22 km/h).

The Japanese constructed only three of these during World War II (I-52, I-53 and I-55), although twenty were planned. They were among the largest submarines ever built to date, and were known as the most advanced submarines of the period.[citation needed] One of them, I-52, was selected for a Yanagi (exchange) mission to Germany. She was sunk on 24 June 1944 by aircraft from USS Bogue 800 miles (1,300 km) southwest of the Azores. Her cargo consisted of rubber, gold, quinine, and Japanese engineers to Germany.
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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 9:56:59 PM(UTC)
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Great stories hatter, keep em coming!
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Posted : Thursday, 30 May 2013 10:12:54 PM(UTC)
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Geez no wonder old blunt axe liked the saki ud need a few before chopping into a warhead!
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Posted : Tuesday, 4 June 2013 5:24:52 PM(UTC)
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I worked in the Solomon's for a year or so some time back and the rumours of the gold stash were rife then. If my memory is correct a drilling company that was doing exploration drilling for gold down past Honiara went belly up because the owner got the gold bug and spent all his resources drilling holes in various headlands to find a cavity that local legend says the submarine was sealed in side.