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would it be any use contacting the potential permit owners now to see if they will let hand sluices/panning on site or best leave things until its official. could be limited use of area left if they choose to lock it up.

its not a matter of being tight. there is no way I could afford a claim, even a small one at prices that nzpam want and i'm sure a lot of other members would be in the same position. they are making it so that only business can afford it or serious amateurs with a stack of spare cash. I don't have a problem paying some $ to a claim owner for panning or hand sluicing rights though.

Edited by user Monday, 29 July 2013 8:48:23 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

If a claim is actively worked its one thing but the majority of claimed land is tied up by large companies who have no plans of actually working the area. These companies tie up the land because it makes their balance sheet look good - if they ever get to mine it will just a bonus. The Coromandel Peninsula is one good example of this as there is no way the anti-mining movement will ever let more of the peninsula be mined yet there is a massive areas under exploration and prospecting permits (e.g. Waihi Golds Tairua to Kuaotuna prospecting permit). The companies know they will never to get to mine there but it looks good to their investors. Its all about money but the money is not in the gold - its in the investment.

These are the areas that should allow recreational fossicking and Dansey Pass is similar. But the Govt is not going to change their policy until there is an organised movement pushing for recreational fossicking. This forum is the closest organisation there is and maybe in the future an offshoot will develop that can promote fossicking rights.

Edited by user Monday, 29 July 2013 10:51:21 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

So gutted i was preparing a holiday down there to try my sluice out. So gutted now where do i go

It appears that there wasnt enuf farmers n fishermen kicking up a stink as the map now shows that the claim has ben approved and is now active so i guess when ever this company decides to start mining its going to mean we cant be paning ect there , dose any one no wot happens if u do pan there does the company put up signs and police it ?
Are you still able to have a pan at the camp ground if ur staying there ?
Its really gay i just made a new sluce box n was hoping to try it out soon

I rung nzpm and asked about a hobby claim but there is no such thing you pay the same as a big company to submit a claim is 3500 $ but they said the big cost is in all the paper work linz reports linz have to permit you the right to be there , a gns report and land statis report , as well as a resorce concent - depending on type of mining and a bunch of other bits n bobs and to top it off if u submit a claim app and one things missing or not right u dont get the 3500 back from nzpam u gota start from scratch so its some big $ .
Its crazy u even need to apply to nzpm to pan in places were there is no claim .
Its nuts just to find some colour n ya pan , not exactly fair is it .

Edited by user Wednesday, 7 August 2013 2:37:39 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I dont think that the folks on here hate the owners , just peved that a company frm auckland now owns a pice of north otago river thats been used to have a quiet pan as theres 1 k of easy walks to the rivers edge and a lot of old timers go there for a play .
Were not anti permit holders its just a bit of a shame for those of us that are weekenders as its a bita fun were we kin geta bita colour and its cheep entertainment were we take the family ect

Tg dose have a vaild point ,we all dream of finding a ten ounce nugget and if we were able to get one it sounds fair that we should all have a pernit but if ur paning ur guna have to do a lot to cover the cost of a permit and ofcourse u need the permit 1st so its a catch 22 .

Its hard to find the right info as ive bin given so much mis-information in my 2 years of paning , by other people who clearly dt no wot laws are wot .
Looking on the nzpam site , it looks like theres not many places left to claim unless u have a chopper or heavy earth moving gear so us hobby miners are shit outa luck by the sound of it .
I dt fink people are winging just frustrated .

The sign is up and that swiming hole is full up n is a foot deep now since the big winter floods the rivers much diffrent now . Maybe the if the camp have paid the permit holder for it, if so the camps guna be full up all year lol .
Ya mite have to ring n ask id say it mite be worth the investment for them , but i dont no how many people go there just for the paning as i give the camp a lil bit of space as of holiday makers n its there land , whats it like there ive not stayed there before. They would proberly make u hire there pans tho to make some extra $ im guessing.
They must of had some kinda deal with nzpam or they would get in trouble for advertiseing it n profiting from it?
If uve stayed there let me no wot its like it mite be a cheep way to get some long days in over the summer.

the permit owners are a company called dale franklin or it might be franklin dale. a mr. franklin and a mr. dale own it strangely. cant find anything on the net that actually says what their main source of work is but maybe it is mining. they don't seem to have any direct contact details which I guess is understandable. they would be inundated with calls asking to allow panning and possibly abuse if they say no which I guess they will.

Edited by user Sunday, 11 August 2013 11:06:05 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Please dont quote me on this guys but i dt think the link posted by nafcd is not corect as ive all ready been read my rights late last week while unpacking my box pan shovel ect by a guy about 6.2 n his late 20s early 30s i didnt ask for ID as he had a claim map n a bunch of claim based documents frm nzpam , he wasnt rude but was firm when he asked me to leave , but when u google a name u may get somthing totaly unrelated how many John Smiths are there in the world...?
N y would an aucklander travel so far to dredge ?
When i go down for a pan i usally stay with a mate who farms down the waitaki valley and one of his staff said he played rugby for Kurow 8-9 years ago with a fellow called dale franklin so it maybe the same person .
Ive bin tolled there is a sign up now mining prohibited and says were it starts n finishes ect n what will happen if ur caught there but if he is local he may be able to be found , as if hes using a big dredge he wont be working alone ..
Id not worry about the bridge tho if its like the bearing sea gold dredges they will be in deep pools n sucking down to bedrock under water if they have dive tanks or air lines ?
Has anyone seen a big dredge in there ? Ive seen small ones but ud have to have more $ than brains to buy a claim for a small back pack style dredge ?
My gues the bridge is safe .
If i could dive id be n the canons n deep pools between the camp n 1st bridge . Dose any one no ?
This spots just so easy to park n pan its a major pain. If we go paning ect what can the claim owner do if we get caught ?
Any one know ??

Edited by user Sunday, 11 August 2013 2:32:52 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified