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Posted : Friday, 26 April 2013 10:14:50 PM(UTC)
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HI There
I have heard that gold was found in the otaio river does anybody now anything about this or has anybody been there. does anybody know where in the otaio river i have heard up the top end near bluecliffs but not sure. Any help or ideas on this would be highly appreciated as info is very hard to find apart from papers past article that is very breif. Thanks
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Posted : Friday, 26 April 2013 11:03:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: big miner Go to Quoted Post
HI There
I have heard that gold was found in the otaio river does anybody now anything about this or has anybody been there. does anybody know where in the otaio river i have heard up the top end near bluecliffs but not sure. Any help or ideas on this would be highly appreciated as info is very hard to find apart from papers past article that is very breif. Thanks


Interesting - I have walked every bit of this river and never seen one sign of gold nor any likely rock which might be of a gold bearing nature. I spend seven years up in there during weekends hunting and back then was as keen on gold as I am now so kept my peepers peeled but saw nothing.

Yes I had heard rumours about gold up that way many years ago when I hunted there and read this article or one similar to it many years ago as well

http://paperspast.natlib...d&d=THD18651209.2.10

One thing of interest that does come from this article is the fact that YES a great deal was found back in the pioneering days throughtout New Zealand then it was either not worth following up or the information got lost in archives and reports never to be seen again!

There MAY be colours there and yes it is worth going for a look see with the proper equipment - not a detector but a scratcher, bent screw driver to scratch out small cracks in the bedrock, a small trowel, a glass bottom box and a small lightweight pan. I would go well up though and look in all the side tributaries WELL UP the river as it is gravel bed for miles up Otaio Gorge. It might not seem a long stream but its a long haul into it through to the headwaters and out of it again. The headwaters are just 'across the ridge' from the headwaters of the North Branch of the Waihao but good luck!

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Posted : Saturday, 27 April 2013 12:39:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: big miner Go to Quoted Post
HI There
I have heard that gold was found in the otaio river does anybody now anything about this or has anybody been there. does anybody know where in the otaio river i have heard up the top end near bluecliffs but not sure. Any help or ideas on this would be highly appreciated as info is very hard to find apart from papers past article that is very breif. Thanks


Waimate has numerous old identities in its population. A few questions asked here and there should lead you to someone who has the information you're after.

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Posted : Saturday, 27 April 2013 1:22:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: big miner Go to Quoted Post
HI There
I have heard that gold was found in the otaio river does anybody now anything about this or has anybody been there. does anybody know where in the otaio river i have heard up the top end near bluecliffs but not sure. Any help or ideas on this would be highly appreciated as info is very hard to find apart from papers past article that is very breif. Thanks


Waimate has numerous old identities in its population. A few questions asked here and there should lead you to someone who has the information you're after.


Interesting comment - do you know who the old identities are who could tell you anything about the gold within striking distance of Waimate. The most knowledgeable are not so long dead and gone, carked it, snuffed the candle, curled up their toes and woken up dead and now reside in the Marble Orchard which is in the dead centre of the town.

There s one woman who was part of a group of four who in the 1970s had a great deal of knowledge about gold mining - one of them knew bell, Hooper and Kilgour and was also an active gold miner. The four of them had two claims, one of them being at or in the vicinity of Scotland Point where they went for a few weeks every year. They did a great deal of research into the gold around Waimates hills but only one of them is alive today and she is in her late 90s and whether she would be happy to have her name passed on I have my doubts but will ask her.

Many of Waimates old identities are not Waimateites at all but are relatively new comers but there are some who might know. A personal approach to me and I can give you a couple of names of people who might know a little but I have either never asked them or had never known them to ask and dont even known now if they are alive and even then they might not know a thing even though they had associations out Kaiwarua way.

I dont know now if Colliers still have associations with Otaio Gorge area but if they do then they would be worth approaching - old John Collier was a great guy and most obliging.

Gold and its existence near Waimate was totally unknown to 99% of the Waimate population and if it wasnt for a personal friendship with the people mentioned above I would not have known myself.

A new Conservation reserve has been created in the Hunter Hills and before it became Public knowledge I had a hand in suggesting its name and writing a paragraph for the brochure. This reserve does incorporate a very tiny section of the headwaters of one or two branches of the Otaio - only a few hundred meters and it does overlook the North Branch of the Waihao River but does not take in its headwaters.

As it is a public forum I shall not elaborate excepting to say that most of the land holders are really decent and obliging people and are happy to give access as well as the fact that there are public easements in places and the fact that much of the Te Tari a Te Kaumira area is now DOC estate with publicized walking tracks.

I was trying to find some photos of the headwaters of the Otaio where I did a great deal of hunting but alas cannot find them otherwise I would put them on here so you can see the type of country it is. There is a great track which goes from the entrance to Otaio Gorge - this is a private track so permission must be sought. It goes up the ridge on the left side of the gorge or seaward side and is steep in places and not for city yuppy four wheel drivers or the faint hearted and goes right along the very top ridge of the Hunters Hills with a couple of branches down to the Otaio in places.

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Posted : Saturday, 27 April 2013 3:20:59 PM(UTC)
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Yes, it is regrettable that dead people can't talk. At any given point in history, the knowledge lost with recently departed "identities" is lamented. All we can do is learn what we can from those who are still living and mentally astute. Next year - next week, even - there will be more valuable knowledge lost, so don't dally.

I have no personal knowledge of Waimate folk who might have been interested in gold during their lifetimes, but a close family member who is a relatively recent "immigrant" has told me many times about the wealth of local historical knowledge borne by a number of lifelong residents. Historical knowledge is not usually handed around on plates; unless it has been recorded in print at some point in time it has to be hunted out - just like gold. If I resided in Waimate and wished to find information about possible gold in the Otaio, I would seek out as many longtime residents as I could and ask them who they know who might have (or have had in the past) a specific interest in such matters. Someone will know. Lammerlaw has even given you the name of someone who might be a starting point.
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Posted : Saturday, 27 April 2013 3:23:45 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info helps quite a bit so you reckon go right up near the head of the river and target crevices in the bedrock. does anybody know if there would be any access to the head of the otaio as its along way to the head from any roads marked on the map
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Posted : Saturday, 27 April 2013 9:16:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: big miner Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the info helps quite a bit so you reckon go right up near the head of the river and target crevices in the bedrock. does anybody know if there would be any access to the head of the otaio as its along way to the head from any roads marked on the map


Read above what I have written - it almost appears that you dont really want to know? Have you ever heard of Google Earth? - have you ever heard of Topographical maps? - Have you ever thought of getting cadastral maps to research boundaries? - Find out who owns the land where you wish to go.

Without being specific I gave you two extremely helpful and important pieces of information relating to the area. I think I gave the very answer to your last question before you asked it...what did I say about a track from Otaio Gorge? - go back and read it properly.

Familiarise yourself with the area and also the public access and walking tracks - phone DOC at Geraldine and request they send you a copy of the brochure titled 'The Hunters Hills/Te Tari a Te Kaumira' - it is quite an informative little brochure. It has just a couple of snippets of information that you could make use of - no it doesnt mention gold!

When I spent so much time there I did not follow the courses of the rivers and streams as it was too hard going climbing up and down as I was hunting so stayed high and rarely went into the bottoms of the gullies but I can remember swearing, cussing and cursing a few times down there. The best spots to look from memory are where the streams go through the bush in the upper reaches - the reason for this is that the scrub in places was the very devil to get through but the bush was pretty open due to excessive grazing.

If you know anyone in Waimate then get them to find out if Jim McNeely is still around then go visit him to see if he can tell you anything about Gold IF he knows - he did know the country well - possibly as well as anyone ever did but more Kaiwarua way but you never know just what he knows - until you ask...but then again I had already suggested him some weeks ago in another thread where you inquired about gold in Kaiwarua area.

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Posted : Saturday, 27 April 2013 9:43:18 PM(UTC)
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"Ask your friend in Waimate to find out if Jim McNeely is still around...."

Lammerlaw, you may possibly be confusing big miner's comments with mine. I can't see where he makes any mention of a "friend in Waimate" as I did. One would think he might know a few locals, though, as he lives there himself according to his profile.
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Posted : Saturday, 27 April 2013 11:33:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kaydubya Go to Quoted Post
"Ask your friend in Waimate to find out if Jim McNeely is still around...."

Lammerlaw, you may possibly be confusing big miner's comments with mine. I can't see where he makes any mention of a "friend in Waimate" as I did. One would think he might know a few locals, though, as he lives there himself according to his profile.


Yes indeed you are correct - my mistake - Oops! I have edited and corrected where appropriate!

I had not noticed that he lives in Waimate - that is interesting - if he wishes to get in touch with me then perhaps he can arrange to meet me as I have meetings in Waimate fairly often and duck shoot there as I have 'interests' there.

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Posted : Wednesday, 8 May 2013 4:05:27 PM(UTC)
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I had an uncle of my mothers lived up Fitzmaurice road he was Ted Fitzmaurice .He had a small bottle of gold that some tea leaf got ,don't know where he got it from but his name may be worth a mention also Fox and Logan surnames ,Ted had a cuz staying with him Bill Fox or Bill Logan they are both long gone,they were about 80yrs each 40 years ago.Mount horrible isn't all that far away I think,could be a source
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Posted : Wednesday, 8 May 2013 5:41:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: swampdweller Go to Quoted Post
I had an uncle of my mothers lived up Fitzmaurice road he was Ted Fitzmaurice .He had a small bottle of gold that some tea leaf got ,don't know where he got it from but his name may be worth a mention also Fox and Logan surnames ,Ted had a cuz staying with him Bill Fox or Bill Logan they are both long gone,they were about 80yrs each 40 years ago.Mount horrible isn't all that far away I think,could be a source


Mt Horrible is a long way from Waimate overlooking Pareora Gorge and Evans Crossing and the geology is not conducive to finding gold so I highly doubt that any gold was ever found there but one never knows.

This area is all sedimentary rocks with I think Limestone overlying Mudstones and has an interesting geological history which can be seen through the diverse layers of fossil sediments ranging over many millions of years with some layers maybe predominantly Echinoderms and others mainly Turritella and in one spot Sharks teeth by the hundred interspersed with a few Stingray teeth and fish vertebra - but no gold.

The Sharks teeth are found in two localities here and the two localities represent extremey widely ranging ages. In the older layer the very very odd sign of crustaceans can also be encountered.

The photo shows Fossil Sharks teeth from the two locations together with a Sting Raw tooth and a fossilized crayfish...but I aint ever found no gold there.

Otaio Gorge however is about 1/3rd of the way back to Waimate and the geology changes again. The headwaters of the Otaio are just across the ridge more or less from the headwaters of the Waihao and Kaiwarua and as far as gold is concerned in the headwaters of the Otaio I would not be surprised and in the headwaters of the Waihao yes for sure.

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Posted : Saturday, 11 May 2013 4:47:42 PM(UTC)
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giday thanks for putting me right I just assume geothermal and volcanic activity are sometimes linked to the yello stuff
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Posted : Saturday, 11 May 2013 5:58:01 PM(UTC)
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Impressive shark teeth Graham. I have found a few on Geology trips I have been on although my largest would be only about an inch long.
And now....On sandy beaches and muddy soil, rings and coins await my coil!
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Posted : Saturday, 11 May 2013 6:16:50 PM(UTC)
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Impressive shark teeth Graham. I have found a few on Geology trips I have been on although my largest would be only about an inch long.


Hi Matt - If you can get to the spot there is a nice band of Glauconite at the Green Island Cement works and in it you will get them - some nice ones there up to the size of the ones I have shown - just over two inches - also fish vertebra, stingray teeth once again and penguin bones.

If you ever want to go have a look for them near Mt Horrible and I am about then its all go - otherwise if you want to go there yourself let me know and I will pin point the spots for you.