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Naughty Chinese 'Garrett' site

expat		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 12:54:17 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 26/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Rangiora Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 91 time(s) in 76 post(s)		.....Which sells rip off Minelab lookalikes. Go figure. www dot gaireet dot com/en/ (URL edited by mod to stop it getting SEO rep from this site) Edited by moderator Monday, 22 April 2013 6:38:17 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
		My greatest fear is that when I die my wife will sell my collection for what I told her it cost me.

andy		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 1:09:22 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 13/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 471 Location: ngongotaha rotorua Thanks: 70 times Was thanked: 88 time(s) in 72 post(s)		yep theres heaps of these for sale on alibaba or ali express pretty cheap id say thats where alot of em come from!cheeky buggers!
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 1:36:00 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		I am tempted to buy one to try it out as my son buys Chinese Electrical products and has never yet found one to be faulty. He got me a burglar alarm system and I have found it to be superior to any others I could source here in New Zealand with more sensors etc and at around one eighth of the price of a New Zealand sourced equivalent. I have never heard one good word yet about Chinese detectors but how do they really compare with the original Minelab? I do not know if the analogy is apt and fitting BUT the Italian firm of Uberti makes reproduction 'Antique' firearms and they are totally indistinguishable from the originals except for the markings BUT they are superior! Just because it is Chinese does that mean to say that it is inferior? - I would really like to source one to try out myself as Chinese electronics have come a long long way. Take for example the top of the line 18 volt cordless drills and other products by Milwaukee - they are all made in China! The same with Japanese cars - they base most of their technology on Fiat vehicles which are arguably worlds best - but he Japanese take the Fiat technology and then improve on it for their every day vehicles - Japanese is now amongst the best you can get and it is not unusual to get many hundreds of kilometres without anything other than a cam belt change. What exactly is the performance of the Chinese Garretts and Minelabs like compared with the original? - Does any one know? Has any forum member tried one yet under controlled conditions and compared them side by side?

andy		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 1:43:11 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 13/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 471 Location: ngongotaha rotorua Thanks: 70 times Was thanked: 88 time(s) in 72 post(s)		iv bought a few chinese thingys over the years and alot of the time its not so much the electrical side of it thats breaks down but the plastics that casings and shafts and battery covers etc are made out of seem to be brittle and brake easily!
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Scorpio		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 2:44:29 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Nugget Groups: Registered Joined: 2/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 83 Location: Auckland Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 52 time(s) in 29 post(s)		Chinese stuff is a gamble... best way to put it ..... It may work just as well if not better but doubt it would "outlast the real deal" due to how the Chinese cut costs on materials and it will catch up one day.... But since they are so cheap sometimes it is worth it too use it till it dis' then get anther... Its a gamble lol :) But then again isn't everything made in china theses days ? I have to ask does anyone know where the real ones are actually made? Kinda reminds of our fathers stuff that still goes strong and something i can go buy now that will break within 1-3 years.... Just the quality on things is slowly dropping to save costs :( and its become a world of you will need to replace that in 1-5 years instead of will last your life.... :( if im making sense lol

expat		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 3:04:10 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 26/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Rangiora Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 91 time(s) in 76 post(s)		Yep, agreed. Isnt it Tesoro, the detector manufacturer that gives a lifetimes guarantee on its machines? I cant see the Chinese copying one of those and making the same claim!
		My greatest fear is that when I die my wife will sell my collection for what I told her it cost me.

Lammerlaw		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 3:25:51 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Scorpio Chinese stuff is a gamble... best way to put it ..... It may work just as well if not better but doubt it would "outlast the real deal" due to how the Chinese cut costs on materials and it will catch up one day.... But since they are so cheap sometimes it is worth it too use it till it dis' then get anther... Its a gamble lol :) But then again isn't everything made in china theses days ? I have to ask does anyone know where the real ones are actually made? Kinda reminds of our fathers stuff that still goes strong and something i can go buy now that will break within 1-3 years.... Just the quality on things is slowly dropping to save costs :( and its become a world of you will need to replace that in 1-5 years instead of will last your life.... :( if im making sense lol In many respects you are right but I have the greatest respect for some of the Chinese stuff through experience - I remember when people used to laugh at Japanese and the thought of buying a Japanese car was a total no no but now they are up with the best. Same goes for Chinese - its up and coming. As I said above the top of the line Milwaukee tools are made in China. I burnt out a newar new top of the line Japanese Skilsaw the other day much to my disgust and yet my Milwaukee 18 volt battery drill has been used for things it was never designed for - drilled 145 x 20mm holes in 6mm hardened steel over two days with this cordless drill - a total of 1.870 meters and it never missed a beat and the weekend before last I drilled twenty holes using a masonry bit into rock. I would like to see a Japanese drill stand up to what my Chinese drill has taken. You are right though that this is the era of consumables and the old time things did indeed last longer. As for 'Naughty Chinese' - you just bring me a good looking 'Naughty Chinese' women and I shall test drive her to see how naughty she is. Edited by user Sunday, 21 April 2013 3:27:27 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

Shilo		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 4:38:08 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 29/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 573 Location: Kawhia Thanks: 17 times Was thanked: 285 time(s) in 185 post(s)		Remember China has 1.4 Billion people and they will have just the same percentage of con artists and crooks as any other country. It doesn't mean that all 1.4 billion are dishonest and out to scam you. I would say the vast majority of Chinese made goods are of a high quality if they weren't the the majority of products we have brought of the last 10 years would have fallen apart on us. I personally risk my life every day with a Chinese made product - I drive a Great Wall car. Like any cons or scams from any country - if it looks too good to be true then it probably is. And the above link to the company Gaireet is an obvious con.
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tassiedetecting		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 6:39:04 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 19/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 29 Location: Tasmania Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		China is a worry, when i started my shop site, within 24 hours i had 17 emails from chinese companies wanting to sell me cheap crap. I only sell genuine gear, i deal with the Australian importer of Teknetics, Garrett, Fisher, Bounty Hunter. I feel when you see a new store online like the one you quoted here, it is fairly easy to trace if its through a genuine ISP (my shop is with IINET) or if it is a blog shop such as wordpress, the chinese stores often use a Asian domain or free shop website. Also do NZ firms have a business registration number than can be traced online? Aussies stores should have a ABN that is easily traced online and that ABN should be displayed on the store.
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expat		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 7:39:41 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 26/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Rangiora Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 91 time(s) in 76 post(s)		Heres another naughty site, this time a 'Minelab' dealership which looks great (and very cheap) initially but is listed as naughty on the official Minelab warning page. The site. http://minelabus.mybisi....oof-free-shipping-no-tax The warning from Minelab. http://www.minelab.com/a...ounterfeit-manufacturers Perhaps we should compile a naughty list of some of the companies involved in peddling these wares.
		My greatest fear is that when I die my wife will sell my collection for what I told her it cost me.

Guardian		Posted : Sunday, 21 April 2013 7:56:22 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 30/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 716 Location: Dunedin Thanks: 42 times Was thanked: 222 time(s) in 185 post(s)		I almost brought some of these GF2 units as most comments on them on various forums have pretty good reviews apparently based on a T2 prototype (old tech according to Teknetics) who knows but I must have asked to many questions and the correspondence stopped also they have apparently been banned from ebay as people were trying to sell them as Teknetic T2. Just to be clear Fisher, Teknetics same family share plastics and tech, no problem there. It's the Teknetics copy (GF2) that is in question. From what I gather the GF2 is copied from the T2 and may not have the boost feature of the T2 SE so software is old (was at this stage communications broke down). I like Lammerlaw get curious about things like this... Edited by user Monday, 22 April 2013 4:27:30 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified Guardian attached the following image(s):

rgmcbrid		Posted : Monday, 22 April 2013 4:03:07 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 3/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 583 Location: Southland Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 180 time(s) in 140 post(s)		I have been told that the Chinese are capable of making just about anything of excellent quality, but they don't often do it. Apparently a big problem foreign firms have working with China is that they get everything tooled up to produce something at the specs they require and as soon as they leave the Chinese start cutting corners. They are also famous for buying well known quality brands and closing the plants but keeping the brands to sell cheap imitation crap. I have sent some of these imitation detector sites to Fisher and they said they are going to try and do something about it, but I am not sure what.
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oroplata		Posted : Monday, 22 April 2013 6:42:59 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,040 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 211 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Originally Posted by: rgmcbrid I have sent some of these imitation detector sites to Fisher and they said they are going to try and do something about it, but I am not sure what. Garrett could quite likely have the domain used in hosting the site in this thread awarded to them via UDRP on TM infringement evidence, as they are attempting to cause consumer confusion. Counterfeit product is much harder to police. Really needs to be done at the customs importation level. Product seized and destroyed.
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