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Looking for advice, beach/water detector...

ocarlier		Posted : Sunday, 13 January 2013 8:25:35 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 31/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Massey East Thanks: 2 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)		Hi All, I am looking at getting another metal detector for use on the beach down in the wet sand and in the water, the Fisher F75 does a great job and love the thing - however it isn't water proof and don't want to see it damaged. Not planning to get rid of it anytime soon. I had a slight drool over Brett's Minelab Excalibur 2 when I saw it the other day, and came mighty close to purchasing one online the other night (very good price even after factoring in import tax, exchange rate and shipping costs). However I did manage to hold off and attempted do some reading to make sure that was the right choice. So far I have found nothing to discount buying a Minelab Excalibur 2, but a few sources did indicate that a Pulse Induction detector may be a better choice for Beach / Salt water detecting as they go a much deeper(?). I understand they don't discriminate, but don't really see that being a problem. Whatever I get, it must be waterproof and work reliably- that's really my ownly requirement I guess I am looking for opinions or experience to help me decide. Anyone? Cheers, Olly ;)
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Shilo		Posted : Sunday, 13 January 2013 9:12:37 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 29/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 573 Location: Kawhia Thanks: 17 times Was thanked: 285 time(s) in 185 post(s)		The Excal would be a great detector to have, but don't discount the Fisher CZ21 or Whites Beachhunter 300. I haven't had experience with any of these but it is always good to have a different detector then what a local hunter is using. For example you would have a much better chance of finding something after Max has hit some water if you are using a detector with different frequencies. A PI would be my next detector but I already have a waterproof VLF to use on popular beaches. I reckon a PI would be best on large ocean beaches where the junk is easily flushed away or on beaches with a lot of black sand. Using one on a beach like Mission Bay would just drive me crazy with the amount of scooping required. Edited by user Sunday, 13 January 2013 9:13:24 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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Metal Kiwi		Posted : Sunday, 13 January 2013 9:18:34 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 19/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,210 Location: Auckland Thanks: 498 times Was thanked: 484 time(s) in 322 post(s)		"but a few sources did indicate that a Pulse Induction detector may be a better choice for Beach / Salt water detecting as they go a much deeper(?)" I have found with my E Trac running in all metal that there is quite a lot of big iron down deep on some of Aucklands beaches. With that and the regular trash I suspect no discrim would waste a lot of time and effort. Just a thought. MK
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nzpoohbear40		Posted : Sunday, 13 January 2013 11:35:45 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 14/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,482 Location: Matura Thanks: 26 times Was thanked: 384 time(s) in 329 post(s)		How deep do you need to go...lmao..i was finding coins at around 2 1/2 feet deep maybe more at briton beach with my goldbug when i had it.....but i dont think the goldbug or the e-trac would do him any good as he wants a fully water proof machine.... so i would sugest either the ex cal or the fisher cz21..as they are both fully submersable..lol...the cz21 up to 250 feet down Edited by user Sunday, 13 January 2013 11:36:39 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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ocarlier		Posted : Monday, 14 January 2013 12:04:22 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 31/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Massey East Thanks: 2 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)		Thanks for all the replies thus far. In terms of depth, I don't want to then have to bring down a Excavator to dig the target, but if there is the option then all the better :D. I'll do some investigation into your recommendations. Thanks for the advice. Still happy to accept more if anyone has anything to add. [Edit] Narrowing it down... http://metal-detectors.f...tt-Infinium-Land-And-Sea What are your thoughts on the 'Garrett Infinium Land & Sea'? It doesn't look as nice, looks like it might be worth considering... Pulse inductions growing on me. I like the idea of being able to work with Iron sand. Edited by user Monday, 14 January 2013 1:19:29 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
		Fisher F2, Fisher F75 LE and Garrett Infinium LS

DrunkBrother		Posted : Monday, 14 January 2013 11:07:44 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 27/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 911 Location: Auckland Thanks: 21 times Was thanked: 206 time(s) in 161 post(s)		Before you buy your water detector - you need to meet up with Brett, Andrew ,Dan and me as we have Excal, CTX 3030 and Garrett sea hunter, each machine has its advantages and disadvantages, and also depending where you want to detect and how. so,again, before you buy anything- meet us up and we will have a chat :-)
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under the bedrock		Posted : Monday, 14 January 2013 6:24:35 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 6/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: invercargill Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 13 post(s)		Originally Posted by: nzpoohbear40 How deep do you need to go...lmao..i was finding coins at around 2 1/2 feet deep maybe more at briton beach with my goldbug when i had it.....but i dont think the goldbug or the e-trac would do him any good as he wants a fully water proof machine.... so i would sugest either the ex cal or the fisher cz21..as they are both fully submersable..lol...the cz21 up to 250 feet down was that 2 1/2 feet in the wet sand?with a gold bug?

ocarlier		Posted : Monday, 14 January 2013 9:11:38 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 31/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Massey East Thanks: 2 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)		Thanks Max for the offer I would love to take you up on that sometime when your free. Both the Garrett Land and Sea and the Minelab Excalibur 2 seem tied for me, perhaps the only solution is to buy both (ouch) - as I appreciate they both have there own strengths. The abilities of the Garrett to comb, what I presume to be less tended black sand beaches near me seems like a real winner of an idea, but it looks like it comes from an era gone by. Unlike the Exculibur that looks like it was well designed build wise.
		Fisher F2, Fisher F75 LE and Garrett Infinium LS

nzpoohbear40		Posted : Monday, 14 January 2013 9:46:40 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 14/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,482 Location: Matura Thanks: 26 times Was thanked: 384 time(s) in 329 post(s)		yup in the wet and the dry..... that is a rough estamate of depth as i didnt have a measuring tape with me. may have only been 2 feet......did the same sort of depth down in dunedin when robert and i hunted down there with tonznz.....not alot at that depth but def got a couple at around that depth.
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under the bedrock		Posted : Tuesday, 15 January 2013 6:25:42 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 6/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: invercargill Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 13 post(s)		the lastest goldbug?not gold bug 2? my gold bug (latest one) wont punch more than 3 inches in the wet sand,are mu sure?

1864hatter		Posted : Tuesday, 15 January 2013 9:13:10 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 4/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,007 Location: Auckland.... Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 566 time(s) in 269 post(s)		2 1/2 feet? 2 feet? Even in air my gold bug does not detect a coin at this depth. Thats 60cm!! Certainly if the coins were also 2 feet in diameter you would get them
		And now....On sandy beaches and muddy soil, rings and coins await my coil!

under the bedrock		Posted : Tuesday, 15 January 2013 9:35:31 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 6/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: invercargill Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 13 post(s)		yes thats what im saying 2 1/2 feet in wet sand?na

1864hatter		Posted : Wednesday, 16 January 2013 2:52:01 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 4/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,007 Location: Auckland.... Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 566 time(s) in 269 post(s)		Did a quick air test with my gold bug and 10x5 inch DD coil and headphones on. I used an old 50 and 20 cent coin as they are fairly large and common. The results (aproximate values) In all metal (with threshold buzzing) full gain, got a signal that would be interpreted as such by if i heard it at 50cm and 40cm for the 50 and 20 cent coins respectively. Deeper than I thought. In discrimination mode and the discrimination set to 0, it was just 35cm for the 50c and 30cm for the 20c coin. I was rather surprised to the 50 cent coin as deep as I did, will have to try with wety salty sand.
		And now....On sandy beaches and muddy soil, rings and coins await my coil!