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kiwipete		Posted : Monday, 21 May 2012 4:40:54 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 17/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Otago Thanks: 15 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Hi guys, I'm a newbie to the site having found it while researching family history and I'm enjoying reading all your posts back to day one. Great site and a credit to all members! Think I've caught the gold fever late in life (54) after recently reading the autobiography of one of my Great Granfathers. He part-owned, built and managed three dredges on the Kawarau starting 1895. The first and smallest of which won a total of 77,778 oz (2,388 tons troy) between 1895 & 1900, including what they assumed then was a record of 658 oz in a 5 day period (document hopefully attached) My Great Grandfather on the other side of the family was a gold miner at Waipori, although with less success, having been killed in 1890, a month after staking his claim. Perhaps understandably I am itching to get out for a look, but with no idea where or how to start, it may not happen. You have a wonderful hobby guys and I'm keen to continue following your exploits.

oroplata		Posted : Monday, 21 May 2012 6:26:15 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,040 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 211 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Nice to see you here! I strongly suggest you try to emulate your Kawarau Greatgrandfather rather than your Waipori one. Can you imagine having so many fines in your goldtrap that you have to use a shovel? Swooon.
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Ash_T		Posted : Monday, 21 May 2012 7:38:15 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 17/09/2011(UTC) Posts: 219 Location: Nth Canterbury Thanks: 138 times Was thanked: 28 time(s) in 25 post(s)		Welcome to the site and hobby! :) Your not the same kiwipete that used to fly r/c gliders in ChCh by anychance?
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mineforgold.co.nz		Posted : Monday, 21 May 2012 8:40:35 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 14/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 299 Location: Nelson Thanks: 58 times Was thanked: 38 time(s) in 35 post(s)		Hi Pete. The good news is that you are not too late to join the party, there is still gold out there. The bad news is that it is just as hard to find as it ever was. However, a little study, a little work, and a little luck and you could be picking up a nugget. Good luck.
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Monday, 21 May 2012 10:51:42 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Welcome to the site Kiwipete - another relative of Black Petes? Do you know if your Great Grandfather was killed at Waipori or elsewhere - what was his name? There is a great deal of history available about that area but sadly no books published on the Waipori Goldfields as yet but a lot of information is available. There was even a good book written about the Nenthorn Goldfield and it was more or less a no even and yet nothing on Waipori and it was actually a rich goldfield.

kiwipete		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 12:38:25 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 17/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Otago Thanks: 15 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Ash_T Welcome to the site and hobby! :) Your not the same kiwipete that used to fly r/c gliders in ChCh by anychance? Hi Ash_T, no, not me. I tried it in a real glider once and threw up, very embarrassing when you're upside-down! Tried static-line skydiving once too, and hit a fence and some trees at the end. I mostly stay on the ground these days.

kiwipete		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 12:52:57 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 17/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Otago Thanks: 15 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Lammerlaw Welcome to the site Kiwipete - another relative of Black Petes? Do you know if your Great Grandfather was killed at Waipori or elsewhere - what was his name? There is a great deal of history available about that area but sadly no books published on the Waipori Goldfields as yet but a lot of information is available. There was even a good book written about the Nenthorn Goldfield and it was more or less a no even and yet nothing on Waipori and it was actually a rich goldfield. Hi Lammerlaw and thanks for the welcome. Not sure about the 'Black Pete' connection, but if he knows where the treasures buried I'm happy to be related. The Great Grandfathers name was Patrick Hynes and I believe he was killed in a rockfall at Waipori, I assume on his recent claim. A chap by the name of David Still was kind enough to send me copies of his claim and water rights application. The later was dated June 1900 (I think, not too legible) and he was killed I believe August 1900. You're right, the more I'm learning about the area, the more fascinating it is! Not familiar with Nenthorn, but I'll look it up. Cheers.

kiwipete		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 12:57:27 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 17/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Otago Thanks: 15 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Originally Posted by: mineforgold.co.nz Hi Pete. The good news is that you are not too late to join the party, there is still gold out there. The bad news is that it is just as hard to find as it ever was. However, a little study, a little work, and a little luck and you could be picking up a nugget. Good luck. Hi mineforgold and I look forward to justifying your encouragement. Many thanks!

Lammerlaw		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 1:36:24 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: kiwipete Originally Posted by: Lammerlaw Welcome to the site Kiwipete - another relative of Black Petes? Do you know if your Great Grandfather was killed at Waipori or elsewhere - what was his name? There is a great deal of history available about that area but sadly no books published on the Waipori Goldfields as yet but a lot of information is available. There was even a good book written about the Nenthorn Goldfield and it was more or less a no even and yet nothing on Waipori and it was actually a rich goldfield. Hi Lammerlaw and thanks for the welcome. Not sure about the 'Black Pete' connection, but if he knows where the treasures buried I'm happy to be related. The Great Grandfathers name was Patrick Hynes and I believe he was killed in a rockfall at Waipori, I assume on his recent claim. A chap by the name of David Still was kind enough to send me copies of his claim and water rights application. The later was dated June 1900 (I think, not too legible) and he was killed I believe August 1900. You're right, the more I'm learning about the area, the more fascinating it is! Not familiar with Nenthorn, but I'll look it up. Cheers. Without any doubt whatsoever David is one of the two most knowledgeable people aobut Waipori - in fact I have some of his notes here and they are amazingly detailed and meticulously researched. He is a great chap. The other chap is one of the keener,more experienced and successful modern day goldminers I know but I shall say not name him - besides he cruises these threads and is a good friend of mine but if I say anything too nice about him it might go to his head and we couldnt have that! These might interest you 8073 HYNES Michael Edward October 1, 1916 11286 Private OIR Killed in action France Son of Patrick and Elizabeth Hynes, of 64, Harrow St., Dunedin, New Zealand. Native of Waipori, Otago FRANCE - WARLENCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY http://paperspast.natlib...a=d&d=TT18881117.2.8 Your family I assume as well - http://familytreemaker.g...BSITE-0001/UHP-0994.html http://paperspast.natlib...mp;e=-------10--1----0-- http://paperspast.natlib...a=d&d=TT18900702.2.4 There is so much material on your great grandfather than my computers having spasms trying to keep up with it all - I do assume that you have found all this stuff - theres heaps more - if you havent read it all then hope you enjoy it and enjoy researching all the rest of it. I got the best returns typing in Patrick Hynes killed Waipori. Edited by user Tuesday, 22 May 2012 1:57:14 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

kiwipete		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 2:16:01 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 17/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Otago Thanks: 15 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Lammerlaw Originally Posted by: kiwipete Originally Posted by: Lammerlaw Welcome to the site Kiwipete - another relative of Black Petes? Do you know if your Great Grandfather was killed at Waipori or elsewhere - what was his name? There is a great deal of history available about that area but sadly no books published on the Waipori Goldfields as yet but a lot of information is available. There was even a good book written about the Nenthorn Goldfield and it was more or less a no even and yet nothing on Waipori and it was actually a rich goldfield. Hi Lammerlaw and thanks for the welcome. Not sure about the 'Black Pete' connection, but if he knows where the treasures buried I'm happy to be related. The Great Grandfathers name was Patrick Hynes and I believe he was killed in a rockfall at Waipori, I assume on his recent claim. A chap by the name of David Still was kind enough to send me copies of his claim and water rights application. The later was dated June 1900 (I think, not too legible) and he was killed I believe August 1900. You're right, the more I'm learning about the area, the more fascinating it is! Not familiar with Nenthorn, but I'll look it up. Cheers. Without any doubt whatsoever David is one of the two most knowledgeable people aobut Waipori - in fact I have some of his notes here and they are amazingly detailed and meticulously researched. He is a great chap. The other chap is one of the keener,more experienced and successful modern day goldminers I know but I shall say not name him - besides he cruises these threads and is a good friend of mine but if I say anything too nice about him it might go to his head and we couldnt have that! These might interest you 8073 HYNES Michael Edward October 1, 1916 11286 Private OIR Killed in action France Son of Patrick and Elizabeth Hynes, of 64, Harrow St., Dunedin, New Zealand. Native of Waipori, Otago FRANCE - WARLENCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY http://paperspast.natlib...a=d&d=TT18881117.2.8 Your family I assume as well - http://familytreemaker.g...BSITE-0001/UHP-0994.html http://paperspast.natlib...mp;e=-------10--1----0-- http://paperspast.natlib...a=d&d=TT18900702.2.4 There is so much material on your great grandfather than my computers having spasms trying to keep up with it all - I do assume that you have found all this stuff - theres heaps more - if you havent read it all then hope you enjoy it and enjoy researching all the rest of it. I got the best returns typing in Patrick Hynes killed Waipori. Thank you Lammerlaw, I am indebted to you for the newspaper clippings which I hadn't seen before and which shed new light for me. Michael Edward Hynes was his brother, killed on the Somme and Patrick James Hynes was his son (my Grandfather) killed in a railway accident. We're not renowned for our longevity, my father not having got past his 50's either. A trend I hope to put an end to. Again, many thanks for your kind assistance and I hope your computer recovers.

kiwipete		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 2:27:44 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 17/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Otago Thanks: 15 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Lammerlaw, my mistake, Michael Edward was in fact his son, my Grandfathers brother. Family history can be confusing for beginners.

Lammerlaw		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 10:14:35 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: kiwipete Lammerlaw, my mistake, Michael Edward was in fact his son, my Grandfathers brother. Family history can be confusing for beginners. Family history is interesting - my Great Great Grandfather and his partner sewed the roof of the Prince of Wales shanty for Bully Hayes - they were miners - my Great Great Grandfather was in Dunedin in 1849 then headed post haste and pronto to the Goldfields overseas and came back to New Zealand to the Gabriels Gully rush. His revolver is still in the Otago Early Settlers Hall My Great Grandfather built the Long Valley Gold Dredge. His account of him and his partner is in Golden Cobweb by H.A.Glasson. The only dubious thing about family history is that Great Great Grandma or someone else in the family may have been cavorting, indulging in and doing nefarious things with Jack the Odd Job man and we may not be who we think we are! Edited by user Tuesday, 22 May 2012 10:16:08 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

kiwipete		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 12:06:04 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 17/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Otago Thanks: 15 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Lammerlaw Originally Posted by: kiwipete Lammerlaw, my mistake, Michael Edward was in fact his son, my Grandfathers brother. Family history can be confusing for beginners. Family history is interesting - my Great Great Grandfather and his partner sewed the roof of the Prince of Wales shanty for Bully Hayes - they were miners - my Great Great Grandfather was in Dunedin in 1849 then headed post haste and pronto to the Goldfields overseas and came back to New Zealand to the Gabriels Gully rush. His revolver is still in the Otago Early Settlers Hall My Great Grandfather built the Long Valley Gold Dredge. His account of him and his partner is in Golden Cobweb by H.A.Glasson. The only dubious thing about family history is that Great Great Grandma or someone else in the family may have been cavorting, indulging in and doing nefarious things with Jack the Odd Job man and we may not be who we think we are! A rich history indeed. Your forebearer was certainly one of the early ones, I'll keep an eye out for the book. I suspect you're right and DNA testing might shake a few unwelcome skeletons from our family trees.

Lammerlaw		Posted : Tuesday, 22 May 2012 7:41:21 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Kiwipete My goldmining ancestor was a late arrival compared with another ancestor who had been a convict - he came here on the Brigantine Elizabeth and Mary - His name was James Saunders Loder and his nick name Jimmy the Needle partly because he was 'cute, sharp and sly' in his dealings - when he died he was worth £10,000 all in gold coin - it never has been found and probably constitutes New Zealand's most wealthy treasure as it would be worth millions today with the exception of the ship wreck General grant which will be a great deal richer Edited by user Tuesday, 22 May 2012 7:42:25 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

oroplata		Posted : Wednesday, 23 May 2012 12:35:54 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,040 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 211 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Heh heh. "We had heard that an old fellow of the name of "Jimmy the Needle" kept a boat to take passengers over the Waitaki. His charges were exorbitant - 1 pound each, sometimes more if he could get it" http://paperspast.natlib...%22jimmy+the+needle%22-- That's where all the sovereigns came from. :)
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Wednesday, 23 May 2012 10:12:47 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: oroplata Heh heh. "We had heard that an old fellow of the name of "Jimmy the Needle" kept a boat to take passengers over the Waitaki. His charges were exorbitant - 1 pound each, sometimes more if he could get it" http://paperspast.natlib...%22jimmy+the+needle%22-- That's where all the sovereigns came from. :) Yes thats him - he took Bishop Harper across the river and the Bishop asked the fare - Jimmy replied 5 shillings and the bishop said "Thats far too much - Do you know who I am?" Jimmy said "No I dont know who you are - Who are you" The Bishop replied "I am Bishop Harper" "Its not every day I have the honour of crossing a Bishop, siad Jimmy "so the fare to you is 10 shillings!" The Bishop then began complaining so Jimmy dumped him on a shingle bar in the middle of the river and said "Its 10 shillings now but its a £ in five minutes" The Bishop had no choice and had to pay. Jimmy's money is still there - £10,000 of it - never found. He was originally from Lancashire - cotton mill family - He and his brother drove a team of horses through a church congregation and injured some church goers - sent to the convict settlement in Australia - his brother is said to have gone to the Argentine - Jimmy came to NZ - He was on the Vessel 'Elizabeth and Mary' - he was at Preservation Inlet in 1838 - he was a Whaler at Waikouaiti and Moeraki then went to North Otago - drowned in 1862 - fissed as a part and fell of a horse in the river. I put this information here for anyone who is researching him as many are...back to the thread topic...now where were we? Edited by user Wednesday, 23 May 2012 10:30:43 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified