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Cranmer Square Finds today

Hunter		Posted : Sunday, 8 April 2012 9:25:57 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 11/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 122 Location: Auckland Thanks: 22 times Was thanked: 29 time(s) in 19 post(s)		Hi all was hunting at Cranmer Square today and found some great find the first is a medal? it reads on the back side ( FOR QUEEN AND COUNTRY) and on the front side it reads (TO COMMEMORATE THE DEPARTURE OF NZ TROOPS FROM LYTTELTON FEB 1900) Has any one seen one of these or know anything about it any help would be great. I did find this: Very Rare South African War Lyttelton Token To commemorate the departure of NZ troops from Lyttelton Feb 1900 for Queen & Country Leon Morels Commemoratives of New Zealand estimates 4 - 10 known example exist of this token. Edited by user Sunday, 8 April 2012 9:29:47 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified Hunter attached the following image(s):
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kiwisouth		Posted : Sunday, 8 April 2012 9:43:27 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 3/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 326 Location: Blenheim (Renwick) Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 105 time(s) in 83 post(s)		What great find. I'm pretty sure that half the museums in the country, including Waiouru would love to have it. Lots of the Canterbury Mounted Departed: 17 February 1900 from Lyttelton Total strength: 262 The idea of a Third Contingent was initiated by the Mayor of Christchurch who, along with a group of businessmen, offered to organise the contingent on behalf of the government. Based at a training camp in Christchurch, the Third Contingent was supported by funds raised by a local committee. The contingent was comprised of two companies, one from Canterbury and one drawn from the Hawke’s Bay, Whanganui, Taranaki and Manawatu regions. http://www.nzhistory.net...h-africa/the-contingents
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Sunday, 8 April 2012 9:47:54 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		I think that there will be more than the number quoted as I have had quite a few of these type of medallions go through my hands though must admit that I cannot recall this exact one - it is a nice thing to have though and a good find despite the condition. There are quite a few different types of these Boer War medallions and quite an impressive collection of them can be built up. I have no idea of the numbers made but it does remind me of the Cottage Ink bottle I have shown in my thread - when I found it I was informed that there were only 'three others known' but when I showed it to a friend he told me that over the years he had found several but because he didnt advertise the fact he had them they were not 'known' - when they went to such trouble as to set up the dies to make them then they would have made a few hundred at least I would have thought and it is always surprising what people have in drawers and cupboards. I would ask 4 to 10 known to whom? Edited by user Sunday, 8 April 2012 9:57:57 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

expat		Posted : Sunday, 8 April 2012 10:08:25 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 26/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Rangiora Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 91 time(s) in 76 post(s)		Going off on a tangent here Lammerlaw but as a bottle nut I'd love to see your cottage ink in case its one I havent seen before.
		My greatest fear is that when I die my wife will sell my collection for what I told her it cost me.

Hunter		Posted : Sunday, 8 April 2012 10:37:07 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 11/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 122 Location: Auckland Thanks: 22 times Was thanked: 29 time(s) in 19 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Lammerlaw I think that there will be more than the number quoted as I have had quite a few of these type of medallions go through my hands though must admit that I cannot recall this exact one - it is a nice thing to have though and a good find despite the condition. There are quite a few different types of these Boer War medallions and quite an impressive collection of them can be built up. I have no idea of the numbers made but it does remind me of the Cottage Ink bottle I have shown in my thread - when I found it I was informed that there were only 'three others known' but when I showed it to a friend he told me that over the years he had found several but because he didnt advertise the fact he had them they were not 'known' - when they went to such trouble as to set up the dies to make them then they would have made a few hundred at least I would have thought and it is always surprising what people have in drawers and cupboards. I would ask 4 to 10 known to whom? The condition is quite good despite the pictures the token is quite sharp- I'm only quoting from what I have found on the web , any way I have not seen on other
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madsonicboating		Posted : Sunday, 8 April 2012 11:58:09 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 21/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 674 Thanks: 187 times Was thanked: 157 time(s) in 127 post(s)		awesome find man very nice the rarer the betterer I reckon !!
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Monday, 9 April 2012 12:22:00 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: expat Going off on a tangent here Lammerlaw but as a bottle nut I'd love to see your cottage ink in case its one I havent seen before. Go to page 13 of the thread Lammerlaws Treasures - I got it from a Chinese hut site years ago.

expat		Posted : Monday, 9 April 2012 9:19:13 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 26/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Rangiora Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 91 time(s) in 76 post(s)		Thanks for that Lammerlaw, a truly beautiful little item and one that has eluded me and my digging efforts over three decades!! I'm not surprised that several people tried to pull the wool over your eyes for their own ends when you wanted it valued, I went to a similar show in Dunedin and found the collectors to be similarly underhand. Your bottle is not one of the rarer types of cottages (there are dozens of variations), the better ones in aqua coloured glass would usually have a registration diamond embossed on one side (sometimes right over that water barrel strangely!) as opposed to registration details embossed below. There are different types of roof tiles (diagonal or straight) flat top windows or arched, brick details or not, side doors or front etc etc. The top would have been sealed with a cork under a coat of red wax. Sometimes a free pen nib came with the bottle, affixed with another blob of wax to the side. Heres one very similar to yours that ended on ebay this week, this had a reg diamond on its side but had a roof corner chip which counts for a lot hence the low price. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/26099...1438.l2649#ht_859wt_1037 This probably should have been a 220/250 UK pound bottle but the damage held it back. The condition of yours looks great, a nice find indeed but a more common variety. Generally I'd expect yours to go for around 175/200 UK pounds. A seller recently tried an over optimistic 'buy now' of 300 UK on one of these but not surprisingly it went through unsold. The real rare ones if you should find them are the coloured types, mid and deep blue or emerald green...thats where the mega bucks are!! The time frame for these is late 1860s through to around 1910 but the most popular period was probably 1870s or so, as born out by their presence in rubbish dumps of this age in the UK. A lovely find, which would make my month if I found one, thank you for sharing it with us.
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Monday, 9 April 2012 9:33:40 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Many thanks for that - it was in Dunedin that they tried to fleece me at a show about 1992! I noted a little sort of diamond on the back of the bottle but cant work out what it is and the registration mark is underneath as you said and as can be seen in the photograph.

oroplata		Posted : Monday, 9 April 2012 10:00:41 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,040 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 211 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Nice find Martin!
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tonznz		Posted : Monday, 9 April 2012 10:39:05 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 20/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 667 Thanks: 261 times Was thanked: 199 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Great token. Is is bronze do you think?

Hunter		Posted : Monday, 9 April 2012 10:41:08 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 11/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 122 Location: Auckland Thanks: 22 times Was thanked: 29 time(s) in 19 post(s)		Originally Posted by: tonznz Great token. Is is bronze do you think? Yes it is bronze
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